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- Flour massacre
- World Central Kitchen drone strikes
- Gaza aid distribution massacres
- Rafah paramedics massacre
- Targeting of journalists
- Forced starvation
- Crop destruction
Israel will deny all of those. But the world have seen it with their own eyes.
This has been flagged twice by people of Hackernews. I genuinely don't know how to respond to this in good faith but I will still try to do my best. Previous discussion (at edit 27 points): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47553964 Unless someone gives me a genuine reason as to why people are flagging it and the people who are flagging it can come state the reason publicly, just as how I am able to defend that th…
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The doctor is named in the article now, perhaps as part of a later edit. Since people are questioning the objectivity of the other domain, we'll use this link you found for the merged thread. I'll put the original link in the top text.
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All of this requires substantiation. Without it, a named medical professional rendering a medical opinion is credible.
> how can such claims accepted without more scrutiny?
What does "accepted" mean in this context? I'm forming a personal opinion. Based on the preponderance of evidence–evidence you'll see, in this very thread, I was earlier sceptical of–it looks like serious people are putting their names to the opinion that this toddler was tortured.
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“HonestReporting or Honest Reporting is an Israeli media advocacy group” [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HonestReporting
Well, TRT World, who spread this story, is extremely biased against Israel and in favor of Islamism. It’s a propaganda outlet for Erdogan. Other outlets repeating it - Al Jazeera, Middle East Eye, etc - are all propaganda outlets and extremely biased on the topic of Israel and Gaza. And Honest Reporting’s description of this situation seems accurate. What evidence is there really? It seems like one person’s claim is…
Sure. I called that out, too [1]. Two bad sources doesn't a good source make [2].
> in favor of Islamism
Islamism in its formal sense [3] falls into the same category as Christian nationalism in Europe and America, Hindutva in India and the current governing ideology of Israel's government. I am not personally in favor of marrying religion and politics. But I'm not going to discard someone's opinion about something just because they believe that.
> What evidence is there really?
The Independent quotes a named doctor.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47557483
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> Naming the doctor adds nothing. It’s a doctor from Gaza with an Islamic name, and presumably at a hospital in an area controlled by Hamas All of this requires substantiation. Without it, a named medical professional rendering a medical opinion is credible. > how can such claims accepted without more scrutiny? What does "accepted" mean in this context? I'm forming a personal opinion. Based on the preponderance of ev…
That’s your opinion. I disagree. It’s not credible, because being a “professional” does not mean you are capable of ignoring your own biases, especially when they run deep as they do in this particular conflict. I’ll also point out that the medical opinion you’re referring to lacks any actual details. For example - if the injuries are consistent with a cigarette burn, what specifically makes it “consistent” and how does this medical professional differentiate this possibility from all the other ones? Why is anything substantial conveniently omitted from all these stories, which instead all use the vague phrasing of “consistent with”? Why are there no details on this doctor, where they practice, or their credentials anywhere?
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Well, TRT World, who spread this story, is extremely biased against Israel and in favor of Islamism. It’s a propaganda outlet for Erdogan. Other outlets repeating it - Al Jazeera, Middle East Eye, etc - are all propaganda outlets and extremely biased on the topic of Israel and Gaza. And Honest Reporting’s description of this situation seems accurate. What evidence is there really? It seems like one person’s claim is…
> TRT World, who spread this story, is extremely biased against Israel Sure. I called that out, too [1]. Two bad sources doesn't a good source make [2]. > in favor of Islamism Islamism in its formal sense [3] falls into the same category as Christian nationalism in Europe and America, Hindutva in India and the current governing ideology of Israel's government. I am not personally in favor of marrying religion and pol…
I agree with the principle. However, the Honest Reporting article isn’t actually making any particular claim and isn’t a “source” in the same way, right? Their article is just pointing out the flaws in the widely-circulated claims from pro-Palestine news media and reasons to be skeptical of those claims.
As for your comparison of Islamism to others - I feel it goes too far in framing these various movements as the same, as these all are different in their goals and the level of intolerance against other beliefs. One key difference - Islamism (the political movement) is much more prevalent among Muslims than Christian nationalism is among Christians. And it preaches the erasure of all other religions entirely. Sam Harris has spoken about this in length if you want to hear it from others. Hindutva isn’t the same as either Islamism or Christian nationalism, since it literally means “Hinduness”. The recent reframing of “Hinduness” into a pejorative is just a vague racist-tinged political attack against a long-colonized people (Indians) trying to keep their culture from being erased by other powers. The intersection of many eastern religions with politics, to whatever extent they exist, are far less of a threat to free societies than the supremacist versions of Christianity and Islam.
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> TRT World, who spread this story, is extremely biased against Israel Sure. I called that out, too [1]. Two bad sources doesn't a good source make [2]. > in favor of Islamism Islamism in its formal sense [3] falls into the same category as Christian nationalism in Europe and America, Hindutva in India and the current governing ideology of Israel's government. I am not personally in favor of marrying religion and pol…
> Two bad sources doesn't a good source make I agree with the principle. However, the Honest Reporting article isn’t actually making any particular claim and isn’t a “source” in the same way, right? Their article is just pointing out the flaws in the widely-circulated claims from pro-Palestine news media and reasons to be skeptical of those claims. As for your comparison of Islamism to others - I feel it goes too far…
Within their relevant geographies, so does, it seems, the other movements.
I agree that Islamism is currently more in power and more violent, extreme and ridiculous than those others. But again, I’m not discarding anything they say as a result of it.
> Hindutva isn’t the same as either Islamism or Christian nationalism, since it literally means “Hinduness”
As it’s practiced it has involved excusing and in many cases encouraging murderous riots. (Islamism parsed literally also sounds innocuous.)
> a long-colonized people (Indians) trying to keep their culture from being erased by other powers
This is revanchism. All extremists do it. Islamists and Christian nationalists want a return of their golden ages.
Nothing shocks anymore With all this brutality and dehumanisation, no wonder the IDF are seeing the highest rates of PTSD and suicide.
I guess if a massacre is a massacre then it would have a high chance of affecting those involved regardless of belief.
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> genuinely don't know how to respond to this in good faith Not flagging, but also not upvoting. One, it’s an ambiguous archive link. Two, I’m not getting the sense that the source is unbiased [1]. For a contentious topic, I want to form my opinions—and hear those of fellow HN users—around rock-solid sourcing. > post is beyond political, its a humanitarian post If it’s not political, it’s irrelevant. Gawking at human…
This subthread was originally in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47557437 before we merged the threads. (I mention this because otherwise the bit about archive links doesn't make sense.)