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Gaza toddler returned with alleged torture wounds after Israeli detention

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Re: Gaza toddler returned with alleged torture wounds after Israeli detention

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Post by dang »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #11
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #10

This has been flagged twice by people of Hackernews. I genuinely don't know how to respond to this in good faith but I will still try to do my best. Previous discussion (at edit 27 points): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47553964 Unless someone gives me a genuine reason as to why people are flagging it and the people who are flagging it can come state the reason publicly, just as how I am able to defend that th…

> genuinely don't know how to respond to this in good faith Not flagging, but also not upvoting. One, it’s an ambiguous archive link. Two, I’m not getting the sense that the source is unbiased [1]. For a contentious topic, I want to form my opinions—and hear those of fellow HN users—around rock-solid sourcing. > post is beyond political, its a humanitarian post If it’s not political, it’s irrelevant. Gawking at human…

This subthread was originally in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47557437 before we merged the threads. (I mention this because otherwise the bit about archive links doesn't make sense.)

Re: Gaza toddler returned with alleged torture wounds after Israeli detention

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Post by SilverElfin »

dang wrote: post #27
gibbitz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-to... There are details here including quotations from an unnamed doctor. If feel you can't trust the media credentials of the Independent, you could contact them for the identity of the unnamed doctor (who they are likely protecting based on the nature of the conflict) and ask them directly.

The doctor is named in the article now, perhaps as part of a later edit. Since people are questioning the objectivity of the other domain, we'll use this link you found for the merged thread. I'll put the original link in the top text.

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Re: Gaza toddler returned with alleged torture wounds after Israeli detention

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Post by SilverElfin »

Hikikomori wrote: post #5

>"The claims that the IDF abused a toddler are completely unfounded and serve Hamas propaganda." The spokesperson said. >"On the contrary: The toddler was brought by a Hamas operative into a dangerous area to be used as a human shield. Same old denials as usual, aren't they getting tired? These spokespersons don't know anything, their only job is to deny that anything happened. Which does work a lot if there are no w…

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Re: Gaza toddler returned with alleged torture wounds after Israeli detention

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Post by netsharc »

adnanc wrote: post #4

Nothing shocks anymore With all this brutality and dehumanisation, no wonder the IDF are seeing the highest rates of PTSD and suicide.

It's sort of mind-blowing to see 1940s being repeated. Of course both times the victim group were viewed as sub-human/barbaric "other"... Before someone yells "Godwin!", read the Wikipedia page about that law, Godwin himself said it's fine to mention Nazis when it's actually a comparable thing.

If you have 3 hours, there's a documentary you can watch, about a man who was part of a government-sanctioned killsquad to kill a lot of "communists" in 1960's Indonesia: The Act of Killing (available at e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TDeEObjR9Q ).

It's sort of understandable why the defenders of the genocide have to keep defending it. Stopping doing so today would mean admitting that until yesterday you've been defending utter inhumanity.

A review:

> Joshua Oppenheimer’s The Act of Killing is a challenging documentary. It is not only difficult to watch, but it also probes into one of the most grotesque aspects of human nature: the capacity for self-delusion in the face of horrific atrocities. This isn’t a film about history, facts, or statistics; it’s about the memories of the men who killed, the stories they tell themselves, and how they continue to live with the horrors they’ve inflicted on others. The film’s power lies in its ability to take the viewer beyond a surface-level understanding of evil and into the psychological abyss of those who have committed atrocities—and seemingly moved on with their lives.

From: https://docthisway.com/2024/09/23/the-act-of-killing-review/

Re: Gaza toddler returned with alleged torture wounds after Israeli detention

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Post by dang »

TheGuyWhoCodes wrote: post #32
dang wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, I've added that link to the toptext as well.

Add this https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-denies-repo... while you are at it

Ok that seems like a better source than the GP link so I've replaced it above. Thanks.

Re: Gaza toddler returned with alleged torture wounds after Israeli detention

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Post by [deleted] »

SilverElfin wrote: post #33
dang wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The doctor is named in the article now, perhaps as part of a later edit. Since people are questioning the objectivity of the other domain, we'll use this link you found for the merged thread. I'll put the original link in the top text.

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Re: Gaza toddler returned with alleged torture wounds after Israeli detention

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Post by Hikikomori »

SilverElfin wrote: post #33
dang wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The doctor is named in the article now, perhaps as part of a later edit. Since people are questioning the objectivity of the other domain, we'll use this link you found for the merged thread. I'll put the original link in the top text.

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And we should only trust Israel that never lies?
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