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Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by sampullman »

nostromo wrote: post #17

Clearing notifications on macOS Tahoe is ridiculously tedious. The "Liquid Glass" button is slow to respond, the notifications hang for a bit before being cleared, and then sometimes you have to jiggle the cursor to clear the next one. It's absurdly frustrating. And the updates to Music (formerly iTunes) are so bad the entire team should be dressed down, Steve Jobs style.

Agreed, I've blocked all notifications for years. Maybe it got worse recently, but I thought they were annoying since at least Big Sur.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by root_axis »

zackmorris wrote: post #89

Not to mention that WindowServer seems to take 100+% cpu since the upgrade. Also I can't paste filenames in the save file dialog in some apps. And the URL field in Safari is just weird. My computer was running so slowly that I had to minimize transparency in system preferences somewhere. I think I also turned off opening every app in its own space. And I hid the icons on the Desktop in Finder settings somehow, which…

> Computers have been running thousands of times slower than they should be for decades

I've been hearing this complaint for decades and I'll never understand it. The suggestion seems completely at odds with my own experience. Regardless of OS, they all seem extremely fast, and feel faster and faster as time goes on.

I remember a time when I could visually see the screen repaint after minimizing a window, or waiting 3 minutes for the OS to boot, or waiting 30 minutes to install a 600mb video game from local media. My m2 air with 16gb of memory only has to reboot for updates, I haphazardly open 100 browser tabs, run spotify, slack, an IDE, build whatever project I'm working on, and the machine occasionally gets warm. Everything works fine, I never have performance issues. My linux machines, gaming pc, and phone feel just as snappy. It feels to me that we are living in a golden age of computer performance.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by classified »

girvo wrote: post #224
aetimmes wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we're already seeing the operating systems that AI can build, and I don't think they've been an improvement.

The fact microsoft keeps messing up my Windows 11 gaming desktop, I think you're right.

Gaming is one more area where Linux has surpassed Windows. I'm using Valve's Proton to run Windows games on Linux and it's smooth as butter.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by whatever1 »

ymolodtsov wrote: post #181
haunter wrote: post #57

I usually use Linux and Windows (pretty much split 50/50) and tbh this is why I never could switch to Mac full time even though I've have had and still have several Macs at home. The full screen beahavior is weird. Is the dock should overlay every single window all the time? If not then why is the dock not hidden by default? If yes then full screen is actually "maximum size app window without overlaying the dock"? Wh…

Apps and windows things is actually great though if you learn yo use it and don't disable minimizing windows to the dock

It makes absolutely no sense to have a windowless app. Why would anyone run photoshop without a window?

There are apps that they need to run in the background, sure. They have a spot in the menubar.

Oh no I forgot, you can only have 5 of them. Not 6. Why? Because FU. Go buy a third party app (bartender) that records your entire screen to do basic app management that the OS should do.

I hate MacOS.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by alexalx666 »

nostromo wrote: post #17

Clearing notifications on macOS Tahoe is ridiculously tedious. The "Liquid Glass" button is slow to respond, the notifications hang for a bit before being cleared, and then sometimes you have to jiggle the cursor to clear the next one. It's absurdly frustrating. And the updates to Music (formerly iTunes) are so bad the entire team should be dressed down, Steve Jobs style.

The "Liquid Glass" button slowness on macOS is tolerable (coz I can really point at the center of a button with the mouse pointer) compared to the same problem on iOS 26. I have to literally tap several times on core system UI elements like navigation bar left and right buttons for the touches to register, this is Bad.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by matwood »

pico303 wrote: post #193
_jab wrote: post #9

Between the rounded corners that don't reach the edges of the viewport, and the behavior when opening a new app for the first time, it feels like Mac's UI is optimized around the assumption most users won't expand windows to fill the whole screen, but rather leave them half-sized somewhere in the middle. Does anyone actually do this? Especially for heavy-duty applications like my web browser and IDE, this has always…

I’ve been using Macs for development for 20 years, and even on a small laptop screen I don’t expand windows to fill the screen. So I guess, yes, there are a few weirdos out there at least?

Consider me another weirdo. I don’t know why anyone would use full screen. Even games I want in a window…

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by steve1977 »

sunnyps wrote: post #125
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #93

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> Not to mention that WindowServer seems to take 100+% cpu since the upgrade That's because some app is spamming window updates. It's been an ongoing problem for many releases. AFAICT, WindowServer 100% CPU is a symptom, not a cause.

But apps shouldn't be able to hammer WindowServer in the first place. If your app is misbehaving, your app should hang, not the OS window compositor! FWIU there's really no backpressure mechanism for apps delegating compositing (via CoreAnimation / CALayers) to WindowServer which is the real problem IMO.

And I could imagine SwiftUI only makes this worse, because it's quite easy to trigger tons of unnecessary redraws.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by matwood »

michael_storm wrote: post #168
_jab wrote: post #9

Between the rounded corners that don't reach the edges of the viewport, and the behavior when opening a new app for the first time, it feels like Mac's UI is optimized around the assumption most users won't expand windows to fill the whole screen, but rather leave them half-sized somewhere in the middle. Does anyone actually do this? Especially for heavy-duty applications like my web browser and IDE, this has always…

Some users switch apps by dragging windows around the screen, like a messy stack. A friend of mine didn't even know about Cmd+Tab to cycle through open apps. Users are weird.

I use a mix of Cmd-Tab and a hot key to see all non-minimized apps (Mission Control?) to pick from. I’ve realized that that I’m faster at seeing the color of the window I’m looking for than remembering the app name.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by mlyle »

root_axis wrote: post #262
zackmorris wrote: post #89

Not to mention that WindowServer seems to take 100+% cpu since the upgrade. Also I can't paste filenames in the save file dialog in some apps. And the URL field in Safari is just weird. My computer was running so slowly that I had to minimize transparency in system preferences somewhere. I think I also turned off opening every app in its own space. And I hid the icons on the Desktop in Finder settings somehow, which…

> Computers have been running thousands of times slower than they should be for decades I've been hearing this complaint for decades and I'll never understand it. The suggestion seems completely at odds with my own experience. Regardless of OS, they all seem extremely fast, and feel faster and faster as time goes on. I remember a time when I could visually see the screen repaint after minimizing a window, or waiting…

My M4 Max 128GB ... 90% of the time is like you say.

10% of the time, Windowserver takes off and spends 150% CPU. Or I develop keystroke lag. Or I can't get a terminal open because Time Machine has the backup volume in the half mounted state.

It's thousands of times faster than the Ultra 1 that was once on my desk. And I can certainly do workloads that fundamentally take thousands of times more cycles. But I usually spend a greater proportion of this machine's speed on the UI and responsiveness doesn't always win over 30 years ago.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by nixpulvis »

zackmorris wrote: post #89

Not to mention that WindowServer seems to take 100+% cpu since the upgrade. Also I can't paste filenames in the save file dialog in some apps. And the URL field in Safari is just weird. My computer was running so slowly that I had to minimize transparency in system preferences somewhere. I think I also turned off opening every app in its own space. And I hid the icons on the Desktop in Finder settings somehow, which…

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