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Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by mjcohen »

drivers99 wrote: post #104
bobthepanda wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I don't maximize anything on a monitor that wide, I do appreciate Window's snap to half/quarter functionality for monitors that wide, and I wish Mac had the same ability natively.

> I wish Mac had the same ability natively Hover over the green button in the top left of the window. I recently found out about that menu for moving a window between screens, which is also an option it has. (I also just found them in the Window menu if you prefer that. I dont; the options take an extra level of hovering to get to.)

Damn. Never knew that. TIL

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by justonceokay »

intrasight wrote: post #22
amarant wrote: post #16

I must say that all this fuzz about the corners actually reflects rather well on macos. If the biggest flaw of a OS is the border radius of its windows, you've got yourself a pretty decent OS! It's not gonna make me leave my darling Linux, ofc, but i think this whole debacle can only be interpreted as praise. On second thought, it might also be considered a mediation on people's tendency to bike-shed.

I disagree as it shows a fundamental flaw in terms of separation of concerns that's probably manifest throughout the operating system. Or to stay it another way, if we see shit like this then we know the whole thing is a hack.

That’s funny to call Mac OS a hack compared to windows. Now windows is trying to be backward compatible with DOS and that’s… something. But when we read blog posts explaining why things are how they are in windows i always get the heebie jeebies.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by layer8 »

amelius wrote: post #37
amarant wrote: post #16

I must say that all this fuzz about the corners actually reflects rather well on macos. If the biggest flaw of a OS is the border radius of its windows, you've got yourself a pretty decent OS! It's not gonna make me leave my darling Linux, ofc, but i think this whole debacle can only be interpreted as praise. On second thought, it might also be considered a mediation on people's tendency to bike-shed.

The biggest flaw is that the system is opinionated, so you cannot change anything you dislike.

It’s not only that it’s opinionated, it’s that it’s idiosyncratically opinionated. It would be different if it had a boring, middle-of-the-road opinion.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by piekvorst »

_jab wrote: post #9

Between the rounded corners that don't reach the edges of the viewport, and the behavior when opening a new app for the first time, it feels like Mac's UI is optimized around the assumption most users won't expand windows to fill the whole screen, but rather leave them half-sized somewhere in the middle. Does anyone actually do this? Especially for heavy-duty applications like my web browser and IDE, this has always…

I never have any window in the fullscreen/maximized mode. Some are pretty large, such as IDE, and they sometimes touch one or more edges of the screen/dock/panel, but never occupy the entire space. That was true even on my 14in MacBook with 125% DPI.

That said, I am a huge fan of manual window management.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by intrasight »

justonceokay wrote: post #152
intrasight wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree as it shows a fundamental flaw in terms of separation of concerns that's probably manifest throughout the operating system. Or to stay it another way, if we see shit like this then we know the whole thing is a hack.

That’s funny to call Mac OS a hack compared to windows. Now windows is trying to be backward compatible with DOS and that’s… something. But when we read blog posts explaining why things are how they are in windows i always get the heebie jeebies.

> compared to Windows

I never said that

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by genewitch »

dstroot wrote: post #95
htx80nerd wrote: post #60

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> “mac users are not serious people.” I can’t tell if this is a serious comment or humor.

there's iconography of a partially eaten fruit on the cases, and some of them glow.

eta: i'm just saying if i had a glowing half drank beer or partially eaten pizza on my laptop in a business meeting i am getting weird looks. Just because you all normalized glowing fruit doesn't mean the rest of us take you seriously.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by stavros »

piekvorst wrote: post #154
_jab wrote: post #9

Between the rounded corners that don't reach the edges of the viewport, and the behavior when opening a new app for the first time, it feels like Mac's UI is optimized around the assumption most users won't expand windows to fill the whole screen, but rather leave them half-sized somewhere in the middle. Does anyone actually do this? Especially for heavy-duty applications like my web browser and IDE, this has always…

I never have any window in the fullscreen/maximized mode. Some are pretty large, such as IDE, and they sometimes touch one or more edges of the screen/dock/panel, but never occupy the entire space. That was true even on my 14in MacBook with 125% DPI. That said, I am a huge fan of manual window management.

I hever have any window in fullscreen, but I always have all windows maximized (obviously except the ones that can't be maximized, because of course settings couldn't possibly be made maximizable, what, that's crazy talk).

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

bombcar wrote: post #126
daemonologist wrote: post #120

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Yes! After many years of using only linux or windows machines, I was assigned an iMac at an internship and noticed the friction with fullscreening things. I decided not to fight it and spent the next year happily working in little windows and making frequent use of the "mission control" gesture. However, after the internship I went right back to fullscreen/window tiling in linux, so I can't say I really preferred it.…

I don't know what it is, but fullscreen on Mac (even dock-showing "fullish screen") feels wrong in a way that fullscreen on Windows/Linux feels "right".

I think it’s partially because on Macs, the desktop has always been a more pivotal component of the OS thanks to ubiquitous drag and drop support and mounted volumes showing on the desktop, among other things. At least for me, it’s not unusual to grab images, text snippets, and other things from apps and drop them on my desktop, making it more of a workbench than it is on other platforms.

Another component is how ability to overlap windows is emphasized, allowing the currently relevant portion of them to be visible without taking center stage or stealing any space from your main window(s).

Both are part of a larger difference in mentality and workflow style.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by justonceokay »

intrasight wrote: post #155
justonceokay wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s funny to call Mac OS a hack compared to windows. Now windows is trying to be backward compatible with DOS and that’s… something. But when we read blog posts explaining why things are how they are in windows i always get the heebie jeebies.

> compared to Windows I never said that

Well sure we can compare it to niche OS like Linux or vaporware. But without comparison then we probably aren’t taking into account the real life complexity of a desktop OS.

As a related anecdote, my friend said my car was ugly. I asked him what cars he thought looked good. He said “I don’t like cars”. As a result I realized his opinion was worthless

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