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If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by grepfru_it »

martinwoodward wrote: post #43

No we won’t. Details here https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/updates-to-gi... For users of Free, Pro and Pro+ Copilot, if you don’t opt out then we will start collecting usage data of Copilot for use in model training. If you are a subscriber for Business or Pro we do not train on usage. The blog post covers more details but we do not train on private repo data at rest, just interaction data with Copilot.…

Back in my day someone would post a HN article to the internal slack in order to sway conversation in their favor. Glad to see its still happening! :D

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by forinti »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #61

Jokes on them, my private repos are total dog dookie. If nobody but me can see the code then I don't have to worry about style, structure, comments, or any other best practices. You don't want an LLM trained on my private repos. Trust me.

Poisoning LLMs is an interesting path of resistance.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by andoando »

martinwoodward wrote: post #43

No we won’t. Details here https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/updates-to-gi... For users of Free, Pro and Pro+ Copilot, if you don’t opt out then we will start collecting usage data of Copilot for use in model training. If you are a subscriber for Business or Pro we do not train on usage. The blog post covers more details but we do not train on private repo data at rest, just interaction data with Copilot.…

Thats still pretty bad. Its no longer private if all your code goes through LLM training set and is resurfable to everyone publicly.

Why would I ever use copilot on any code Id want to be kept private? Labling it a private repo and having a tiny clause in the TOS saying we can take your code and show it to everybody is just an upright lie

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by SirensOfTitan »

flykespice wrote: post #46
tedivm wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think opt out is stupid, but the notice is on every page of github using their banner display right now. They've also blasted out emails.

At least they are being very upfront with it (I guess?), most companies just slickly add the clause on their routinely TOS update.

If they were being honest they would ask explicitly for permission instead of advertising opt-out. Now you might ask: who will explicitly give Microsoft permission to train on their private works? No one will -- and that's the point: this is a form of theft.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by jmward01 »

They just lost my repos. I can not believe they snuck this in. My level of anger right now is far higher that I ever wanted to feel. I went to API access for anthropic, paying more in the process, to avoid them training on my code. And GH just -adds- this, without telling me? Without a prompt. They are dead to me.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by kingstnap »

sethops1 wrote: post #11

When Louis Rossmann started describing tech leadership as having a "rapist mentality" I brushed him off as being sensationalist. But actions like this make me think more and more he's right. The product managers pushing for changes like this are despicable scum.

There is this distinct lack of giving a shit about the user that you see coming through in a lot of big tech nowadays.

Take this extremely simple example about antenna pod. I can change the order and what buttons show up in the app nav bar. For example I can remove the "home" button or put other things there instead like playback history.

This is a small minor point of the bigger picture. Yet there is this distinct sense in which when using that app I don't feel like I'm beholden to some chain of management in some company deciding they get to decide what I get to do.

Like its almost unthinkable that the YouTube app let you remove shorts or reorder the navigation bar and decide what you wanted to have there.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by munk-a »

martinwoodward wrote: post #43

No we won’t. Details here https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/updates-to-gi... For users of Free, Pro and Pro+ Copilot, if you don’t opt out then we will start collecting usage data of Copilot for use in model training. If you are a subscriber for Business or Pro we do not train on usage. The blog post covers more details but we do not train on private repo data at rest, just interaction data with Copilot.…

The initial title and your reply are both too broad to be fully accurate. By April 24th Github will train on private repos (assuming a flag isn't set) but this change is limited to just non-Business/Pro users. So a number of private repos will be effected but it won't automatically affect all private repos (so my panic check on our corporate account wasn't necessary yet).

I am not certain if you're a spokesperson for github - but it's good to be careful in your language. Instead of "No we won't" a lead like "That isn't entirely accurate" would be more suitable. In the end both the original post title and your reply have ended up being misleading.

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