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AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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You can't have a serious discussion of this bombing without addressing the information warfare component. To this day we don't know what actually happened . Between the general public and the facts, there are many middlemen, all with their own distorting factor: the IRGC; the US government; western press outlets such as the Guardian; and the people quoted by the press. IRGC is making claims that no other party can ve…

>> Again, the basic facts on the ground are not known

Think for a second WHY that is! They can find and kill the Iranian leaders who will be doing the utmost to conceal their location and yet that can't tell us whose bomb blew up a specific building? Of course they can. They're waiting until people forget and they can final release the result of their 'investigation'.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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post #69

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How many American schoolchildren have Iran killed in the last 25 years? How many Iranian schoolchildren have America killed? Where's your moral justification for this war of choice if "oops, 137 dead kids is a normal expected outcome"?

The only reason Iranian bombs aren’t hitting America is because their range isn’t long enough. Iran-commanded forces (located in Iran, Lebanon, Yemen) have been targeting civilians for many years.

This is just your opinion. The tragedy here is that there are people with similar opinion and bombs at their disposal that feel complete impunity and go around murdering in the world

Also, remembe the CIA co-staged a coup in Iran in 1953. That's one fact, nor just opinion.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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post #65

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> To this day we don't know what actually happened. I feel like we know enough already. A school was bombed, the ones who did it sucks big time and should be held responsible. Currently, the US and Israel is waging a war against Iran, and one of them dropped the bomb(s), unless suddenly Iran got their hands on American weapons, then that needs to be investigated too, because someone surely dropped the ball at that po…

I think it's likely that the explosion was caused by a US strike. But we don't actually know for sure that that's what happened - the US government has not confirmed it. We also don't know anything about casualties - we only have the IRGC statements, and they are not reliable. > Have those investigations been launched? Yes, according to the US government, an investigation is underway. But its starting point is determ…

>> the US government has not confirmed it

What have they done to deserve your trust? They started a war that they deny is a war. They told us a year ago they set Iran back a decade. Then they tell us 9 months later they're weeks from a nuclear bomb. I wouldn't trust the warmongers to admit they're child killers.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Had Iran done anything to the US as heinous as this one "mistake" in the last 50 years that compares? Imagine if some country did this to us and just brushed it off as a mistake.

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Unsanctioned flights between Iran and a third country is tantamount to waging a war on the US in your view?

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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>Iran has been waging war since the Islamic Revolution On who?

They've colonized the whole region with their proxies, from Lebanon to Yemen to Iraq, previously Syria which they attacked with Hezbollah to support the Russia-backed Assad. About 1 million dead people from all this proxy warfare. Lebanon in particular wants to be a normal liberal democracy but their proxy militia assassinates any politician who stands in their way.

How many dead from the US's proxy wars?

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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The west should have just used cluster munitions in ballistic missiles. Apparently you can target civilians with those and no one will accuse you of war crimes. Drones hitting residential buildings, airports and critical energy infrastructure? No problem. If you use an F-35 and smart munitions we expect perfect accuracy though.

This war is stupid, poorly planned, and likely to kick off a global recession. Trump and his cabinet lacks intelligent people. All of that is true. But there is also a shocking moral relativism going on that is embarrassing and disheartening to watch.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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post #61

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I couldn't find a web site for the school when I searched for one and I also noticed that while schools are generally marked on Google Maps in Iran this school was not. Both are IMO not really relevant or reliable sources of targeting data anyways. I found very little evidence searching online for the school but I did find something that looked like a blog about a school trip. Again though the Internet is not a relia…

>It's hard to imagine that a building that has operated for some length of time as a school would not have patterns that are visible from satellite vs. military facilities with different patterns. You might be overestimating how much satellite capacity there is to do this level of analysis for every target.

Well, but this is irrelevant. You can't possibly say 'listen, the richest army on Earth does not have the means to prevent bombing a school'

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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post #200

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It's incredible, after all the grotesque stories about rape, torture and murder of children, men and women during the Iraq war, active support of genocide (and 10s of thousands of children murdered by Israel, on purpose), prisoners rape and child imprisonment, a "secretary of war" and president publicly admiting to war crimes and saying things like "negotiate with bombs" you still "refuse to believe" that anyone in d…

our views of the world are probably irreconcilable, and I don't think your comment was written to try to fix that.

My comment is to say the US has proven how brutal they are consistently through all the wars of aggression they have waged in the past several decades. They do not see their "enemies" as human. I can't fix anything unfortunately.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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post #146

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The Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) has an updated tally on defensive and offensive munition expenditures. It's likely not 100% accurate due to the sensitive nature of those figures. > 11,294 munitions in the first 16 days of the conflict, at a cost of approximately $26 billion. Several detailed tables are in the link below. https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/comme...

Incidentally, $26B is a sum in the same ballpark as the cost of eradicating homelessness in the US, ending large-scale hunger worldwide or making significant progress towards safe drinking water for all or the eradication of malaria.

But how would any of those activities increase the wealth of the decision makers (in the short term)?

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Wouldn't have been looking for targets if senile old fucks looking to deflect from their personal liabilities hadn't started shooting. AI didn't do shit here. Stupid people built the AI and the weapons and applied them. Any other argument is intentional obfuscation. You all are falling for propaganda.

That is actually the point of the article, if you had read it

Why? You just saw I got the point without reading it.

Am aware content of media coming from either side is so normalized there is little value giving either my attention for free. I am not susceptible to Fox News fear mongering and already read 1984 among others. Neither are going to say anything novel. They're just engaged in barter for food and shelter.

I spent the time engaged in more useful endeavors to those around me and myself.

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