How many of you had to stop using Claude because of the Pentagon edict?
Pushed me towards Claude.
Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd wish more for an impartial, considered judgement
I deeply wish for people who say things this cryptic and opinionated to actually speak their mind and back up their positions. Comments like these add little to the discussion.
They don't speak their minds because they know their opinions are so beyond the pale that they wouldn't be accepted in civil society.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are they entitled to have a mechanism to force a private company to deal in weapons and surveillance?
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> Anthropic is suing for the right to deal in weapons and surveillance, you realize?
No, they are suing for the reversal of specific government actions which they contend were taken without lawful authority and for Constitutionally impermissible purposes.
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#174The issue of course is that the Judge can't change the knowledge that the head of the executive doesn't want people down the chain using this product, so they won't. Anthropic is a dead letter in government circles until the next Presidential election.
That’s fine. They can choose to use whatever model their political hearts desire. the supply chain risk designation means EVERYONE who works with the government isn’t allowed to use Claude. Nearly everyone in tech has some sort of contract with the government.
> the supply chain risk designation means EVERYONE who works with the government isn’t allowed to use Claude.
No, it doesn't. The even more illegal Presidential directive (also a subject of this case and the injunction) asserts that, but the supply chain risk designation itself does not have that effect.
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#175So much for all that alarmism a month ago. Just got to be patient and wait for cooler heads to prevail. Or it goes to show how Anthropic handled it well, by making their case as persuasively and assertively without delay as they had done.
I completely disagree with the idea that a court not allowing the Secretary of Defense to bankrupt a company for disagreeing with him means it's wrong to be alarmed that he tried. It remains extraordinarily alarming that the guy who runs the US military thinks anyone who tries to stop him from doing what he'd like is a threat.
That’s the least concerning thing about Hegseth. The “warrior of God” rhetoric and the fact that he publicly wants to start word war 3 in the name of Jesus should be way more prominent in the public conversation.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm reminded of that episode of Portlandia where the mayor was obsessed with thinking the city was bigger and more important than it actually is.
Portland OR has a higher GDP than Vancouver BC.
Sadly, Portland is a backwater logging outpost and no one outside the PNW gives a shit about Portland or could place it on a map. I'm sorry, it's true.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
What a beautiful/horrifying inversion of logic. The government does it the legal way, through an existing law, and you’re short circuiting and pattern matching to “the government is trying to work around the law”. The DoD is not trying to sneak its way out of behaving legally. On the contrary, they’re doing it the legal way and you’re suggesting that they could just do it the illegal way.
Again, you of undue certainty: the government attempted this potentially legal avenue, and it was adjudicated as impermissible. Meaning what they tried didn't work. Why are you acting like no one else here understands what has happened? Probability dictates that you are almost certainly not the smartest person in the room.
It wasn’t “adjudicated as impermissible”. You’re misunderstanding what a preliminary injunction represents. It’s right there in the name: preliminary. It’s preliminary because it precedes the actual real adjudication.
> Why are you acting like no one else here understands what has happened?
Because you clearly don’t? Because nobody who has a remote understanding of the legal system would be stupid enough to suggest that a San Francisco district court judge preliminary injunction decision would carry enough weight to dictate DoD procurement during an active hot war.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Fun fact: Palantir is powered entirely by Claude Haha what, OpenAI has been in bed with them and their models used by them since before Anthropic was even a thing. Claude will just have been picked because they considered it the strongest at the task at that point in time. It's crazy to see this kind of misinformation.
Palantir maven uses Claude. This is not misinformation, but fact. https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-faces-challenge-...
>Palantir maven uses Claude
The pushback isn't that they use Anthropic, it is that you stated they used it "entirely", which is not true.
Yes Anthropic is a priority model in their ecosystem and they are deeply embedded with both tech and staff, but they are not the one as indicated and sourced in my reply above.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
The military can work with someone else's product or use a bit of their trillion-dollar budget to come up with their own.
Yes, they can work with someone else. Marking them as a supply risk is one way they can avoid using them and instead use someone else for their needs. So now it seems like we are in a limbo where the government knows that Anthropic is a risk to work with, but they can't official put them on a list that states that.
They actually don't need to sanction Anthropic as a "supply risk" in order to not contract with them, and doing so is obviously an insane overreach.
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#180Unfortunately the Pentagon can and will appeal, and the 9th Circuit and higher courts are excessively deferential on "matters of national security."