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Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by brookst »

suid wrote: post #99
mrkstu wrote: post #83

The issue of course is that the Judge can't change the knowledge that the head of the executive doesn't want people down the chain using this product, so they won't. Anthropic is a dead letter in government circles until the next Presidential election.

That may be, but the government doesn't need to declare Anthropic as a "supply chain risk" in order to just not do business with it. A simple clause in all RFPs is all that is needed. The problem with this declaration by the government is that now any company doing any business with the US government would be effectively forbidden from using Anthropic ANYWHERE within their company, which is a huge deal, because the g…

Perhaps. But certainly those companies will factor in the risk that this is overturned, or that the government pursues other extrajudicial means to punish those who do business with Anthropic.

All things equal, you’d be better off not exposing yourself to risk of financial harm or other punitive measures. Which is the whole point of the government’s action in the first place.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by nickysielicki »

dathery wrote: post #113
nickysielicki wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DoD would like to use Palantir. DoD also believes Anthropic is pursuing posttraining in future models that will limit the effectiveness of Palantir tooling, if used by Palantir, for the purposes of DoDs mission. What other legal mechanism do they have to prevent Palantir from specifically not subcontracting out to Anthropic, other than a supply chain risk designation? Note that directly asking Palantir to prefer Goog…

They can say "sorry Palantir, we will only sign a contract with you if you commit not to use Claude to provide services" and then Palantir is free to decide if they want to accept the terms of the contract or not. This is how business works.

That would be illegal and ripe for corruption. It would also require the DoD to renegotiate the thousands of existing defense contract it has outstanding.

That’s the entire reason this law exists, because what you’re suggesting is impractical. The department has to confidentially document its rationale for marking a company as a supply chain risk. It’s in the confidential record of this very court case. That’s the legal way to do this.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by ronsor »

macintux wrote: post #82
AbrahamParangi wrote: post #47

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They're specifically referring to the dead comments from new users in this thread, so it's not insinuation. They're pointing out a higher-than-normal quantity of shill bots flocked to this thread.

The fact that the comments are dead means the system is working as intended, but it's not unreasonable to point out the nature of the comments.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by brookst »

nickysielicki wrote: post #109
etchalon wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is forcing the DoD to contract with a company.

DoD would like to use Palantir. DoD also believes Anthropic is pursuing posttraining in future models that will limit the effectiveness of Palantir tooling, if used by Palantir, for the purposes of DoDs mission. What other legal mechanism do they have to prevent Palantir from specifically not subcontracting out to Anthropic, other than a supply chain risk designation? Note that directly asking Palantir to prefer Goog…

Why are they entitled to have a mechanism to force a private company to deal in weapons and surveillance?

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by charcircuit »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #98
charcircuit wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>was refuse to perform certain categories of service? Anthropic wanted to have the power over what the government could or couldn't do. If there was any false positive on something that was supposed to be allowed the government would have to work with Anthropic and get permission from them to do something they are allowed to do. This to me is the risk that Anthropic was giving to the government. If Anthropic expresse…

Anthropic wanted power over what the government would do with the servers Anthropic runs. That's not weird and that's not being a risk. It's normal business negotiation.

This is not about the usage restrictions in the agreement. As shown by OpenAI's agreement getting similar restrictions. It is about Anthropic's attitude in how Anthropic has the ultimate power in its usage. If RTX started demanding that they should be the ones to decide who Tomahawk missiles can be used on when they are launched. And RTX said that the government should file a support ticket to appeal a decision, then I would not be surprised that such actions could lead to considering them to be a supply risk. Even if it was just part of "business negotiation." It is the mindset that the other company has which clearly is showing signs of risk.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by mpalmer »

alienbaby wrote: post #16
JohnTHaller wrote: post #2

Some judicial pushback against authoritarian policies is good to see.

I'd wish more for an impartial, considered judgement

I deeply wish for people who say things this cryptic and opinionated to actually speak their mind and back up their positions. Comments like these add little to the discussion.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by nickysielicki »

brookst wrote: post #124
nickysielicki wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DoD would like to use Palantir. DoD also believes Anthropic is pursuing posttraining in future models that will limit the effectiveness of Palantir tooling, if used by Palantir, for the purposes of DoDs mission. What other legal mechanism do they have to prevent Palantir from specifically not subcontracting out to Anthropic, other than a supply chain risk designation? Note that directly asking Palantir to prefer Goog…

Why are they entitled to have a mechanism to force a private company to deal in weapons and surveillance?

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Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by [deleted] »

cwillu wrote: post #102
mr_00ff00 wrote: post #93

Had this conversation with a friend, but I think as an America you can be very optimistic about the institutional strength of democracy in the country. People are very pessimistic recently, but if anything, we are seeing that our system works well. A person got into power that a majority voted for, but when he oversteps, the courts and other institutions (even judges and fed reserve chairs he picked!) seem to hold hi…

The question is not whether the walls can contain the bull until animal control arrives, but whether any china will remain intact.

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Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by Der_Einzige »

longislandguido wrote: post #64
ahhhhnoooo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there tech workers who don't know what HN is? It's a pretty reasonably sized social media site.

I'm reminded of that episode of Portlandia where the mayor was obsessed with thinking the city was bigger and more important than it actually is.

Portland OR has a higher GDP than Vancouver BC.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by etchalon »

nickysielicki wrote: post #122
dathery wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can say "sorry Palantir, we will only sign a contract with you if you commit not to use Claude to provide services" and then Palantir is free to decide if they want to accept the terms of the contract or not. This is how business works.

That would be illegal and ripe for corruption. It would also require the DoD to renegotiate the thousands of existing defense contract it has outstanding. That’s the entire reason this law exists, because what you’re suggesting is impractical. The department has to confidentially document its rationale for marking a company as a supply chain risk. It’s in the confidential record of this very court case. That’s the le…

Yes, it turns out our laws make it hard for the government to do a lot of things because making it easy for them to do things leads to some deeply authoritarian bullshit.
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