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End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

rsynnott wrote: post #46
vintermann wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those guys only ever have a "maybe later" button.

That's pretty much how it works; there's generally no way, in a modern parliamentary democracy to say "no, and also you can never discuss it again". You could put it in the constitution, but honestly there's a decent argument that parts of chat control would violate the EU's can't-believe-it's-not-a-constitution (the Lisbon Treaty is essentially a constitution, but is not referred to as such because it annoys nationa…

That constitution sure did stop Giuliani from having the cops shake down all those black guys.

At the end of the day you still need people to actually believe it, for whatever "it" is.

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Post by throwaway132448 »

cbeach wrote: post #88
Ms-J wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until we stop them.

In 2016 the UK demonstrated that there is a way for the public to vote down the corpus of bad EU legislation. Of course our national govts have been pretty woeful ever since, but in 2029 we will have the opportunity to vote for genuine, dramatic change, with strong options on both the left and right side of politics. Regarding the creeping surveillance state, Reform UK have explicitly stated they will repeal the awfu…

People who think reform are anti establishment genuinely fascinate me.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Post by SiempreViernes »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #41
elephanlemon wrote: post #33

I’m confused by > This means on April 6, 2026, Gmail, LinkedIn, Microsoft and other Big Techs must stop scanning your private messages in the EU It had already passed and started?

Yes, voluntary Chat Control 1.0 has been running since 2021.

Well, chat control 1.0 is about making an existing practice legal, it didn't create the practice of scanning messages for know child sexual abuse material, though I don't know how long that has been going on before the legislation in 2021 passed (but probably for several years at that point, since getting a new law trough takes a while).

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Post by layer8 »

appstorelottery wrote: post #63
elephanlemon wrote: post #33

I’m confused by > This means on April 6, 2026, Gmail, LinkedIn, Microsoft and other Big Techs must stop scanning your private messages in the EU It had already passed and started?

What happens to the already scanned metadata?

The data that isn’t flagged from scanning is prohibited from being stored in the first place. Flagging is required to have maximum accuracy and reliability according to the state of the art. Data that was flagged is stored as long as needed to confirm (by human review) and report it. Data that isn’t confirmed must be deleted without delay.

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Post by izacus »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #107
cbg0 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The EU is fundamentally flawed. There are no checks and balances You're missing a [citation needed] on that.

Non-elected representatives from my country keep pushing for chat control via the council. How do I, as a citizen, hold them accountable?

The article you're commenting on is reporting how directly elected representatives defeated the motion.

Why do you keep lying?

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Post by gostsamo »

elephanlemon wrote: post #33

I’m confused by > This means on April 6, 2026, Gmail, LinkedIn, Microsoft and other Big Techs must stop scanning your private messages in the EU It had already passed and started?

There was an interim legislation that will expire in april.

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Post by layer8 »

elephanlemon wrote: post #33

I’m confused by > This means on April 6, 2026, Gmail, LinkedIn, Microsoft and other Big Techs must stop scanning your private messages in the EU It had already passed and started?

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2021/1232/oj/eng

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Post by joering2 »

rsynnott wrote: post #17
Freak_NL wrote: post #9

Did that vote pass with a difference of one single vote? Tight squeeze there.

The screenshot is actually a vote on an amendment. Here's the final vote: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270 Less tight.

Ashamed of France Poland and Hungary. Hungary is a state regime dictatorship so I get it.. but France and Poland, after everything Poland went thru during WW2 then communism with USSR, who the heck are these people voting FOR ?

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Post by marginalia_nu »

izacus wrote: post #116
marginalia_nu wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-elected representatives from my country keep pushing for chat control via the council. How do I, as a citizen, hold them accountable?

The article you're commenting on is reporting how directly elected representatives defeated the motion. Why do you keep lying?

That's the parliament. What about the council and the commission? Am I not allowed to hold them accountable? Does my power as a citizen only extend to a fourth of the balance of power?

They keep getting away with these attrition tactics with regards to implementing near Stasi levels communication surveillance. What about the day they're pushing to give the council unlimited powers, or to abolish voting rights, or to purge jews?

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