That was a close one. This is getting harder and harder. It is important not to be naive to the point of thinking this is over.
End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance
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So in summary: because the law was avoided today, the EU needs to be abolished? Weird take. You can see it the other way around, without the EU, Denmark and others would have already implemented ChatControl in their country. This is driven by member states (Denmark), not the parliament, after all.
> So in summary: because the law was avoided today, the EU needs to be abolished? Weird take.
There are many reasons to abolish the EU, but the topic here is chat control.
> You can see it the other way around, without the EU, Denmark and others would have already implemented ChatControl in their country. This is driven by member states (Denmark), not the parliament, after all.
Would they? We don't know. Would the government of Denmark be ready to commit political suicide by insisting again and again on something so unpopular?
The whole premise of the EU is to allow various unelected interest groups to push unpopular regulation to the EU member states without any consequences.
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#83I would say "end of chat control, for now"
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not named "Chat Control". It's just what it's commonly known by. It's basically the same as "Obamacare".
Exactly. Its real name is “Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_Control
Perfect name. Who in their right mind would ever vote against the Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse? Imagine if your voters heard that
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#85That was a close one. This is getting harder and harder. It is important not to be naive to the point of thinking this is over.
One would think that the same thing getting denied over and over would make future votes about it easier to decide.
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The EU is fundamentally flawed. There are no checks and balances, and its only democratic if you squint and look at it the right way. People need to directly elect the MPs, directly elect some kind of president. They have no accountability, no checks and balances.
Checks and balances means some folks should NOT be directly elected. if everyone is , then you have checked and balanced by . Which is to say, not at all. :-P
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#88They’ll keep trying.
Until we stop them.
In 2016 the UK demonstrated that there is a way for the public to vote down the corpus of bad EU legislation.
Of course our national govts have been pretty woeful ever since, but in 2029 we will have the opportunity to vote for genuine, dramatic change, with strong options on both the left and right side of politics.
Regarding the creeping surveillance state, Reform UK have explicitly stated they will repeal the awful Online Safety Act.
This is how we wrestle control back from the establishment.
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#89Chat Control 3.0 will go through
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s often large differences between what politicians tell you they are and how they vote once in power
I don't quite get what you mean? EPP is technically in power (whatever that means in the European Parliament). But also why would that matter? Or they wanted to force a vote just so they could vote against it (which is not necessarily a stupid strategy in cases like this)?
> in power (whatever that means in the European Parliament).
It means the people who get to vote on if you have a right to privacy or not.