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End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

#51

“Congrats all we maybe fixed the problem we created in the first place! Let’s celebrate!” Also - wasn’t this program voluntary? This seems like the height of backslapping. Would have been better if they just sat on their hands and did nothing in the first place.

> Would have been better if they just sat on their hands and did nothing in the first place

You described 95% of EU's work.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

#53

I’m confused by > This means on April 6, 2026, Gmail, LinkedIn, Microsoft and other Big Techs must stop scanning your private messages in the EU It had already passed and started?

Something something constitutional (ish*) rights say you can't do this.

Chat Control 1 says, eh do it anyway if you want on a voluntary and temporary basis until the Courts get around to saying no.

Chat Control 2 says you have to. Until the courts finally get around to striking it down in 15 years.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

#54
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nice to see that democracy can work Did it work? One political party (EPP) didn't like the result of the previous vote and so they forced a re-vote. > After the European Parliament had already rejected the indiscriminate and blanket Chat Control by US tech companies on 13 March, conservative forces attempted a democratically highly questionable maneuver yesterday to force a repeat vote to extend the law anyway. htt…

EPP is appalling and I'm revolted that many large so-called "moderate, centre-right, liberal-conservative" parties are happily part of it and indeed actively pushing extremely anti-citizen, anti-human agendas with the help of the far right. (Edit: word choice)

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Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those guys only ever have a "maybe later" button.

That's pretty much how it works; there's generally no way, in a modern parliamentary democracy to say "no, and also you can never discuss it again". You could put it in the constitution, but honestly there's a decent argument that parts of chat control would violate the EU's can't-believe-it's-not-a-constitution (the Lisbon Treaty is essentially a constitution, but is not referred to as such because it annoys nationa…

Constituional cours are a last defense against bad laws though and should not be the first one - they are not designed to be fast enough to prevent a lot of damage being done before they strike something down.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

#56

I’m confused by > This means on April 6, 2026, Gmail, LinkedIn, Microsoft and other Big Techs must stop scanning your private messages in the EU It had already passed and started?

Of course, remember Apple championed the idea with iMessage scanning which at the time produced A LOT of discussion e.g. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/2021-we-told-apple-don...

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

#57
post #9

Did that vote pass with a difference of one single vote? Tight squeeze there.

The screenshot is actually a vote on an amendment. Here's the final vote: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270 Less tight.

I don't quite get it, so the conservatives wanted/want to repeat the vote but also the EPP voted against it and the Socialists supported it?

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

#59
post #22

Its time to start trying to push Chat Control 2.0. With enough money and infinite retries eventually all the bad regulations with a power group behind will end being approved.

Or it will get a new name. Just like „Chat Control“ is far from the first name for this BS.

It's not named "Chat Control". It's just what it's commonly known by. It's basically the same as "Obamacare".

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

#60

Nice to see that democracy can work

> Nice to see that democracy can work Did it work? One political party (EPP) didn't like the result of the previous vote and so they forced a re-vote. > After the European Parliament had already rejected the indiscriminate and blanket Chat Control by US tech companies on 13 March, conservative forces attempted a democratically highly questionable maneuver yesterday to force a repeat vote to extend the law anyway. htt…

But the vote failed only because the EPP voted against it? Or did they mix up the buttons or something? https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270
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