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End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Post by nickslaughter02 »

pqtyw wrote: post #60
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nice to see that democracy can work Did it work? One political party (EPP) didn't like the result of the previous vote and so they forced a re-vote. > After the European Parliament had already rejected the indiscriminate and blanket Chat Control by US tech companies on 13 March, conservative forces attempted a democratically highly questionable maneuver yesterday to force a repeat vote to extend the law anyway. htt…

But the vote failed only because the EPP voted against it? Or did they mix up the buttons or something? https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270

EPP wanted indiscriminate scanning instead, not targeted one.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Post by latexr »

Hamuko wrote: post #59
mantas wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it will get a new name. Just like „Chat Control“ is far from the first name for this BS.

It's not named "Chat Control". It's just what it's commonly known by. It's basically the same as "Obamacare".

Exactly. Its real name is “Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_Control

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Post by rsynnott »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #30

Just rename it to something something save the children something something. Instant approval no matter what is in the bill.

That pretty much _is_ what it is called. It's generally known as Chat Control, but "Chat Control 1" (the thing just rejected) is called "Extension of the temporary derogation from the ePrivacy Directive to combat online child sexual abuse", and "Chat Control 2" (which you'll probably have heard more about; it's the one that keeps reappearing and disappearing) is called "Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse".

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Post by latexr »

integralid wrote: post #45
mantas wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it will get a new name. Just like „Chat Control“ is far from the first name for this BS.

we can learn from our American friends and call it something like CHILDREN SAFETY ACT. So you want to hurt children, huh? I hope not

That’s already (kind of) the name it has. “Chat Control” is a name given by critics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_Control

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Post by rsynnott »

0xy wrote: post #28
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #11

This will come back because too many EU countries want it.

Bastion of democracy Germany will be pushing hard given they let slip they want mandatory IDs on social media. They want full control.

RE Chat Control 2 (ie _not_ this, the proposed permanent version):

> In early October 2025, in the face of concerted public opposition, the German government stated that it would vote against the proposal

German MEPs also voted against this one.

(Note that the German government and German MEPs aren't the same thing here.)

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Post by jimnotgym »

embedding-shape wrote: post #49
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #11

This will come back because too many EU countries want it.

Judging by https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270 , the outliers who seem to want this, would be France, Hungary, Poland and Ireland, all other countries seems to had the majority MEPs voting against it.

The countries are free to repropose similar things through the council (basically the representatives of the ruling party in each country), but the MEPs are free to strike it down. The MEPs are elected through PR in each country so often have broader representation than the council.

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Post by latexr »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #58

It doesn’t matter they can just keep trying and paying people off until it gets through. Someone somewhere really really wants this and has the time and resources so it’s an inevitability.

It does matter. Even if it eventually passes, the later and more gutted it is, the better.

Saying that it doesn’t matter is just defeatist (and unfortunately always parroted on HN) and plainly wrong. Defeatists have been proven wrong time and again.

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Post by rsynnott »

sailfast wrote: post #27

“Congrats all we maybe fixed the problem we created in the first place! Let’s celebrate!” Also - wasn’t this program voluntary? This seems like the height of backslapping. Would have been better if they just sat on their hands and did nothing in the first place.

> Also - wasn’t this program voluntary?

This gave companies permission to do things which would ordinarily be illegal under the ePrivacy directive, but did not make it mandatory for them to do so. That permission is now revoked (or will be when the derogation they were trying to extend expires in two weeks).

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