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Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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> it’s whatever policies the school has. so the school takes on that responsibility, as deputized by the parents. Kids don't get unfettered access to the streets while at school. They can't take their bikes and ride out at will. What makes the internet and devices any different? The devices provided by the school should be lockdown-able, and kids should not be provided their own device unless there's a parental lock…

That’s just not how the system works. Each school brews its own system more or less.

> That’s just not how the system works.

ok then make it work so. i feel it's like this thought flow:

- A causes B. and B is a problem.

- why not do C which causes not B.

- ahh, this wont work because it's A what is now, and C is not.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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what is so hard to teach children not to e-messaging with strangers just like not to snail-mailing with strangers? also the parents should be able to join the conversation just like in the analogue world. call me backward but i dont want to outsource parenting neither to government nor to remote businneses.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Why are you asking lawmaker questions of people on HN? What kind of answer are you expecting? Just because I don't know how to write a law that can prevent it doesn't mean that I can't recognize an actual issue when I see it.

Because people like you then go and vote for politicians without actually understanding what they are proposing. It's all Trump style "believe me I know how to fix it" and you will vote for the person that pushes your buttons regardless of whether they have a plausible solution or not.

So only lawyers should be allowed to vote, otherwise we are subjected to ad hominem attacks?

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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The original claim wasn't that the kids with an Uncle Roy would be better able to cope, it's that the kids are who can devise another way to get past even if they didn't. Then the latter kids make up a larger proportion of the ones who can get past because they have two paths to do it instead of one. And the former ones are the ones we can't reach regardless.

Let's look at that original claim - "As with smoking, alcohol, sex, drugs etc Children who are smart enough to get access to a given vice without getting caught are more likely to be mature enough to be able to cope with that vice." There are at least two problems here. The one I've focused on first that you seem so keen to dispel, is an assumption that there are smart kids overcoming a challenge. 'Roy' is an extreme…

> The one I've focused on first that you seem so keen to dispel, is an assumption that there are smart kids overcoming a challenge. 'Roy' is an extreme, but there is a whole spectrum of low-oversight conditions that are likely to lead to kids getting access to alcohol, tobacco, drugs, having sex etc, which are nothing to do with smartness or challenges and are much more to do with shitty parenting.

Let's consider the four combinations of the two variables here. You have dumber and smarter kids, and worse and better parents. The kids with the worse parents will have access to the vice regardless of whether they're dumb or smart, but the kids with the better parents will only have access if they're smart enough to figure out how against parents actively trying to prevent it. Therefore the two of the four quadrants with smarter kids can get access but the dumber kids only can when they have worse parents, implying that two thirds of the quadrants with the ability to do it are the smarter kids.

> even if we allow that children getting access to tobacco are 'smarter' than those who don't figure it out, and are overcoming various obstacles, that doesn't actually imply that they'll be better able to deal with the consequences.

That's assuming the way they deal with it better is by trying the drug and then somehow not getting addicted rather than by choosing not to try the drug to begin with even though they could access it if they wanted to, or otherwise making more measured choices if they do decide to try something, like finding a source more likely to be providing the expected amount of the expected substance instead of who knows how much of who knows what. Or just hesitating a while so their first time comes at an older age.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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> Are you saying that Responsible Parents should not get their kids a Steam Deck? I'm saying Authoritarian Parents should not get their kids a Steam Deck. If the kid can run arbitrary code then they can get a VPN and access websites hosted in Eastern Europe and then any of this is moot because there is no law you can impose on Facebook to do anything about it. > If a child works out how to circumvent the age restrict…

I bought my Steam Deck not knowing that it had Desktop Mode. And I'm an experienced software dev. The average parent is not going to know this.

The devices that offer a mode that blocks all unapproved content are presumably going to advertise it. If you buy something that doesn't say it has anything like that, and then it doesn't, that's the expected result. If you buy a device that says it does and then it doesn't, now you have a bone to pick with the OEM.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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what is so hard to teach children not to e-messaging with strangers just like not to snail-mailing with strangers? also the parents should be able to join the conversation just like in the analogue world. call me backward but i dont want to outsource parenting neither to government nor to remote businneses.

In analogue world, shops and pubs are responsible for not giving kids alcohol, porn, gambling access and whatever else. In an analogue world, parents are not expected to do perfect surveillance every minute of kids lives.

Also, parents have in fact full control of snail mail.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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375 million awarded at $5000 per child harmed. Implying that only 75,000 children were harmed. Got away with it again, good profit, will repeat.

Well hopefully now that there's precedent, it will open them up to recurring repeat-offender lawsuits and legal action. The goal is to get them to stop doing predatory things now.

That's good, but it can be read as: "Everyone can be a first time offender and get away with a slap on the wrist." -- where "everyone" is a tech company. Next they will find some other nefarious thing they don't need to check for properly, since that would be a new offense and again only get a wrist slap. There is no signal in this fine, other than "Hey it's OK, if you are big enough, you will get away with it. At least once, likely twice or more, depending on how big you are.".

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Many will cheer for any case that hurts Meta without reading the details, but we should be aware that these cases are one of the key reasons why companies are backtracking from features like end-to-end encryption: > The New Mexico case also raised concerns that allowing teens to use end-to-end encryption on Instagram chats — a privacy measure that blocks anyone other than sender and receiver from viewing a conversati…

> (my emphasis) Meta said it would stop supporting end-to-end-encrypted messaging on Instagram later this year.

Whatsapp and messenger are still fine, then.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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I really would love to be in the mind of Meta spokespeople who have to craft messages that completely hide the truth, sound convincing, and have to live with it, to understand how they do it without blowing up. I think that's also quite damaging for someone's mental health.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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post #518

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Let's look at that original claim - "As with smoking, alcohol, sex, drugs etc Children who are smart enough to get access to a given vice without getting caught are more likely to be mature enough to be able to cope with that vice." There are at least two problems here. The one I've focused on first that you seem so keen to dispel, is an assumption that there are smart kids overcoming a challenge. 'Roy' is an extreme…

> The one I've focused on first that you seem so keen to dispel, is an assumption that there are smart kids overcoming a challenge. 'Roy' is an extreme, but there is a whole spectrum of low-oversight conditions that are likely to lead to kids getting access to alcohol, tobacco, drugs, having sex etc, which are nothing to do with smartness or challenges and are much more to do with shitty parenting. Let's consider the…

> implying that two thirds of the quadrants with the ability to do it are the smarter kids.

But only one of those involves overcoming anything.

And unless you have information on the relative sizes of those quadrants, it’s meaningless in terms of the overall picture and being able to confidently assert that access to such contraband allows you to draw any inferences about intelligence whatsoever.

And the rest appears to be some serious mental gymnastics to avoid the point, which I don’t believe for a second was meant to encompass “children who are smart enough to get access to do a thing but don’t actually do the thing because they’re so damn smart”. Nor do I believe that 14 year olds who find a willing drug dealer are more likely to take sensible precautions than their peers, having proven their smarts by finding one!

The whole premise is laughable.

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