375 million awarded at $5000 per child harmed. Implying that only 75,000 children were harmed. Got away with it again, good profit, will repeat.
That’s half a day worth of revenue for Meta. Why don’t companies get fined billions?
Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms
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Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms
#482Many will cheer for any case that hurts Meta without reading the details, but we should be aware that these cases are one of the key reasons why companies are backtracking from features like end-to-end encryption: > The New Mexico case also raised concerns that allowing teens to use end-to-end encryption on Instagram chats — a privacy measure that blocks anyone other than sender and receiver from viewing a conversati…
The lawyers using the finding badly internally doesn’t mean the finding was fundamentally unsound and or won’t ultimately be a positive thing.
Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms
#483Many will cheer for any case that hurts Meta without reading the details, but we should be aware that these cases are one of the key reasons why companies are backtracking from features like end-to-end encryption: > The New Mexico case also raised concerns that allowing teens to use end-to-end encryption on Instagram chats — a privacy measure that blocks anyone other than sender and receiver from viewing a conversati…
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Children do not want child locked devices and they will find alternatives
As with smoking, alcohol, sex, drugs etc Children who are smart enough to get access to a given vice without getting caught are more likely to be mature enough to be able to cope with that vice.
Sorry what?
Kids with low parental supervision who steal uncle Roy's marlboro are more likely to be able to cope with tobacco addiction?
Do you have any reasons to think this might be the case? Studies, research, a well thought-out article?
Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms
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I’m actually okay with not letting under age people use e2e. I’m not okay with blocking everyone. I have 2 kids.
You just need to provide the government with your name and address and the name and address of the counter party every time you send an encrypted message. If you don't support this you're obviously a pedo nazi terrorist.
Meta is one of the worst offenders here. They are actively lobbying at least the US Congress for laws that require age verification at the hardware/os level.
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#487Earlier quoted context omitted.
The correct nuance here is... * Classifying accounts as child accounts (moderated by a parent) * Allowing account moderators to review content in the account that is moderated (including assigning other moderation tools of choice) In call cases transparency and enabling consumer choice should be the core focus. Additionally: by default treat everyone online as an adult. Parents that allow their kids online like that…
I think getting the age thing correct is key to get parental classification to work properly(I think now platforms just ask for a birth date which is lame) e.g > Surveys by Britain’s tech regulator, Ofcom, find that among children aged 10-12, over half use Snapchat, more than 60% TikTok and more than 70% WhatsApp. All three apps have a notional minimum age of 13: https://archive.ph/y3pQO Once you get the classificati…
This all depends on fantasy tech and/or totalitarian control of tech.
Who verifies that the person verifying the child's age is actually authorised to do that? Who verifies that verification? And so on up. This needs a chain of trust that can only end up at government. And that chain of trust will then be open to being abused by shitty politicians.
What mechanism in (e.g) Linux is responsible for implementing this age verification so that it cannot be tampered with (or trivially overruled by a sudo call)? Which organisation is legally liable if that mechanism doesn't do its job? How can we stop someone from overwriting that mechanism with their own, in an open OS that is deliberately designed to allow anyone with root to change anything on it?
What you propose here is the death of open computing. And I personally believe that we would be much better off as a species if we kept open computing and just taught our kids how to handle social media better.
Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms
#488Many will cheer for any case that hurts Meta without reading the details, but we should be aware that these cases are one of the key reasons why companies are backtracking from features like end-to-end encryption: > The New Mexico case also raised concerns that allowing teens to use end-to-end encryption on Instagram chats — a privacy measure that blocks anyone other than sender and receiver from viewing a conversati…
Centralized organizations with proprietary software can never offer meaningful end to end encryption because they can just ship an app update to disable or backdoor it at any time. It is better for them to be forced to turn off the security theater so people that need actual privacy can research alternatives.
well, name an example of a thing that can never change then.
"research alternatives" meaning what exactly? You think open source is somehow not susceptible to the same issue, plus all of the malicious updates?
Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms
#489Many will cheer for any case that hurts Meta without reading the details, but we should be aware that these cases are one of the key reasons why companies are backtracking from features like end-to-end encryption: > The New Mexico case also raised concerns that allowing teens to use end-to-end encryption on Instagram chats — a privacy measure that blocks anyone other than sender and receiver from viewing a conversati…
The correct nuance here is... * Classifying accounts as child accounts (moderated by a parent) * Allowing account moderators to review content in the account that is moderated (including assigning other moderation tools of choice) In call cases transparency and enabling consumer choice should be the core focus. Additionally: by default treat everyone online as an adult. Parents that allow their kids online like that…
It’s very hard to control kids internet access. Impossible really. Even if you do it fine at home, once they go to school it’s whatever policies the school has. Most require laptops and provide internet access.
Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms
#490375 million awarded at $5000 per child harmed. Implying that only 75,000 children were harmed. Got away with it again, good profit, will repeat.
That's not how the legal framework in society works. Victims are compensated. The business pays. The precedent of wrongdoing is specifically established which means that further infringements can be quickly resolved. The legal system does not seek to destroy the business, or individual criminal. Instead it wants them to be able to continue doing their other non-criminal stuff.
>The legal system does not seek to destroy the business, or individual criminal.
The legal system, to this day, does in fact seek to destroy individual criminals on a regular basis.