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Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by rolandog »

rvz wrote: post #59
petermcneeley wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that those pieces of paper mean nothing.

Thank you for telling them. Governments do not care about anyone.

In theory, governments are made up of citizens. In practice, once the citizens are corrupted into corporate shills, they become politicians. They have traded their humanity for business class seats and dining at restaurants that cater to those whose entire personality is talking about their investment portfolio.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by AnssiH »

ab5tract wrote: post #6
vrganj wrote: post #3

Framing this as the EU's attempt is antieuropean propaganda. It is the Conservatives attempt. The EU parliament is the entity that shot it down last time.

Can you clarify what you mean? The linked website makes it seem that the majority MEPs of the supporting countries are on board. Are all of the (listed as) supporting countries currently under conservative governments?

The majority of the MEPs are not onboard mandatory scanning, otherwise that would've been passed already.

The site is conflating mandatory scanning with voluntary scanning (status quo). The upcoming vote is about continuing the voluntary scanning (which would otherwise expire).

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by layer8 »

narmiouh wrote: post #60
triska wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoting from the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union , https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12... : "Article 7 Respect for private and family life Everyone has the right to respect for his or her private and family life, home and communications. Article 8 Protection of personal data 1. Everyone has the right to the protection of personal data concerning him or her. 2. Such data mu…

It clearly states here in 2 “consent of the person concerned OR some other legitimate basis laid down the law”, any random law will trump personal consent

It doesn’t remove the “right to the protection of personal data concerning him or her.” The law cannot be random, it must ensure “fair processing” and be limited to “specific purposes”, and the European Court of Justice as well as the ECHR will decide what constitutes a “legitimate basis” in that context. Furthermore, “Everyone has the right of access to data which has been collected concerning him or her”, which ensures transparency of what is being collected.

Last but not least, a number of EU countries enshrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrecy_of_correspondence in their constitution.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by throwaway27448 »

derefr wrote: post #13

So... if we all care so much about shooting down the bad idea, why is nobody proposing opposite legislation: a bill enshrining a right to private communications, such that bills like this one would become impossible to even table? Is it just that there's no "privacy lobby" interested in getting even one lawyer around to sit down and write it up? Or is there at least one such bill floating around, but no EU member sta…

I don't think that's a very sensical right (like most rights, frankly). Everyone has limits to the privacy they can expect. But we should have a social contract where we can expect privacy between mutually consenting parties intending to have private communication (eg not in a public square) without reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by blks »

triska wrote: post #27
derefr wrote: post #13

So... if we all care so much about shooting down the bad idea, why is nobody proposing opposite legislation: a bill enshrining a right to private communications, such that bills like this one would become impossible to even table? Is it just that there's no "privacy lobby" interested in getting even one lawyer around to sit down and write it up? Or is there at least one such bill floating around, but no EU member sta…

Quoting from the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union , https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12... : "Article 7 Respect for private and family life Everyone has the right to respect for his or her private and family life, home and communications. Article 8 Protection of personal data 1. Everyone has the right to the protection of personal data concerning him or her. 2. Such data mu…

I feel we need something much more strongly worded to protect our mail, paper or electronic, messages and other communications from being read, not just “respect”.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by vrganj »

Findecanor wrote: post #67
vrganj wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Das musst du jetzt aber mal den Amerikanern erklären ;-)

Oder... sie könnten jemanden aus Süd- oder Mittelamerika fragen, was das Wort „Amerika“ für ihn bedeutet.

Entiendo como se sienten los otros Americanos.

But it doesn't change the fact of the matter that in English (and not only English! German, too, as demonstrated), these words have different meanings.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by sgt »

iso1631 wrote: post #30
ab5tract wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you clarify what you mean? The linked website makes it seem that the majority MEPs of the supporting countries are on board. Are all of the (listed as) supporting countries currently under conservative governments?

There are two elements to the EU The Council, which is headed by the government of each member state in equal measure - similar to the Senate in the US And Parliament, which are directly elected by the people, with each member state having representitives in proportion to their population, so Germany has far more than Ireland. This is similar to Congress. Now this site says Germany supports it, but then says that MEP…

Is that fair? Ireland should surely have a say the same way Germany does in parliament too, if it's affecting Ireland just as much. If one considers countries as units.
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