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Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by WarcrimeActual »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #375
bovermyer wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If history is any indication, only demonstrable threat of personal erasure will affect the behavior of people on this scale. By "erasure," I'm not referring to the death of the involved; I'm referring to the elimination of the individual's social capital. When the privileged lose their ability to influence others, they tend to get rather distressed.

How would we do that here? Make Zuckerberg divest from FB or Meta as a whole? Would that be possible?

Honestly he was more right with the death part. The only thing these people really fear is death. Anything else is a fine and a fine means nothing when you don't feel it.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by tremon »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #349
zeeshana07x wrote: post #213

Fines like this only work if they're large enough to change behavior. $375M for a company Meta's size is more of an accounting entry than a deterrent.

What is Meta’s revenue in New Mexico? Also, “the total civil penalty of $375m was reached after the jury decided there were thousands of violations of the act, each with a maximum penalty of $5,000. Meta is also involved in a separate trial in Los Angeles, in which a young woman claims that she became addicted to platforms like Instagram and YouTube, owned by Google, as a child because of how they are intentionally d…

Wait, what? This case's central argument was about propagating and promoting child sexual abuse material, but the maximum penalty was set to only $5000 per violation? Why?

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by mlyle »

jazz9k wrote: post #383

lol. And you think we will ever legalize drugs (and people can take responsibility), when large companies are being sued for being addicted to social media?

If you take actions to deliberately weaponize your product against children in particular, whatever it is -- you shouldn't be surprised when liability attaches. That's what this verdict is about.

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Post by radlad »

Manuel_D wrote: post #296
claaams wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn’t paint the entire picture. Suicide rates peaked in 1990 and then declined to its lowest point in 2007 from there the rates started rising again.

Like all metrics, they fluctuate over time. But they've remained pretty for decades stable at around 10 per 100k per year. The recent rise doesn't really coincide with social media adoption. By 2008, >80% of teens were using social media. If social media adoption was driving the increase in suicides, we would have started to see a rise in suicides around the early 2000s, reaching it's peak around 2008. But that adopt…

> If social media adoption was driving the increase in suicides, we would have started to see a rise in suicides around the early 2000s, reaching it's peak around 2008.

I think there is a logical fallacy here. Social media has not remained stable since 2008. For one thing, 2008 social media used the chronological timeline. For another, it didn't show "recommended" (or sponsored) content in your feed. There was no TikTok. Facebook was relatively new and MySpace was not even really feed-based as I recall.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by forgetfreeman »

jazzpush2 wrote: post #376

Name and shame the managers and leadership at this time. I dream of a world where they'd be recognized and shamed in the streets for all the damage they've done to society. Instead they get to do all kinds of side quests with their money.

meh. hit the C suite and the board with life-altering punitive damages.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by WarcrimeActual »

thechao wrote: post #370
danudey wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until we start to penalize companies by percentage of global revenue rather than some arbitrary dollar amount that pales in comparison to their revenues this sort of stuff is going to keep happening. $3m is nothing. 10% of global revenues (not profits) for each year in which this occurred would be something that might actually make them think twice about breaking the law and harming people for money.

Once there's a pattern of abuse, you can go after the execs personally for purposes of the carrying out of justice. Courts don't like the idea of bad actors hiding themselves behind corporations. You don't even need to "piece the veil" — you just go straight for the Zuck.

>you just go straight for the Zuck.

Will literally never happen. It's impossible. I'm not talking figuratively impossible. At his level of wealth and influence, there are good odds he could murder someone on live stream and walk away. You are dangerously underestimating the influence the rich have in every aspect of society and law.

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