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Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by ball_of_lint »

benrutter wrote: post #120
MildlySerious wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two things can be true, and I am in the same boat. Should the next generation have their brains fried by ad-tech corporations and their algorithms? Absolutely not. Should the overdue off-ramp from this trend be the on-ramp to mass-surveillance and government overreach? Also a firm no.

I really wish this take was more prominent. I really don't buy that mass-surveillance should be required for age verification. There are plenty of very smart people who have created much more complicated things than a digital age verification that doesn't track every time you use it. This also isn't helpful, but I think the sudden push of urgency isn't helping. The internet has existed without any kind of age verific…

It's not about doesn't - the government can always claim that it doesn't track you. That is unlikely to stay true.

It's really either they can't track you or they will track you.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

benrutter wrote: post #120
MildlySerious wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two things can be true, and I am in the same boat. Should the next generation have their brains fried by ad-tech corporations and their algorithms? Absolutely not. Should the overdue off-ramp from this trend be the on-ramp to mass-surveillance and government overreach? Also a firm no.

I really wish this take was more prominent. I really don't buy that mass-surveillance should be required for age verification. There are plenty of very smart people who have created much more complicated things than a digital age verification that doesn't track every time you use it. This also isn't helpful, but I think the sudden push of urgency isn't helping. The internet has existed without any kind of age verific…

You don't even need to go all high-tech with it: Children, by nature of being children, aren't going out and buying their own smartphones and computers. When Mom and Dad buy the device for their kid, just punch in the kid's age before handing it to them.

That's the flow that California's age verification system uses. Personally, I'm opposed to any age verification beyond the current "pinky promise you're 18" type deals, but California's is the least intrinsically offensive to me.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by bluegatty »

b112 wrote: post #235
bluegatty wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" that it requires an entire legal framework, evidence of potential wrongdoing, proof that there is no other method to achieve the goal of validating guilt" No it doesn't. Life is no Reddit, lawyers and technicalities. It's made up of regular people in communities. If you see some guy creeping on 10 year-olds, you can notify the police and Facebook will do that as well - for the same reason. It may not at all need to…

You've quoted out of context, eliminating: "The state has no business listening in on private citizen's communication." So yes, the concept of privacy is so primary that the it requires an entire legal framework for the state to listen in. -- In terms of the rest of your post, even though you quoted out of context, what you're saying is fine. But the people noticing things on the street, have nothing to do with those…

" You really don't want corporations to have algorithms which mean they have to report trigger words to the police or state"

They already do.

The entire financial system, all of social media, and many organizations past a certain size.

I did not quote out of context - the commenter was missattributing context.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by barbazoo »

dwedge wrote: post #108

Maybe I'm just getting old and cynical but, while I think current social media is bad for children, I'm very suspicious of the current international agreement that it's time to take action, especially with all the ID verification coming from multiple avenues

There's no agreement other than maybe that social media is bad for children. To get kids off of there you need to identify who's a kid and who isn't. Same with alcohol and tobacco. Obviously people shouldn't give their ID to Meta and hopefully many will not but those that do, for me, as someone who doesn't use social media, that's a small price to pay to keep kids off. Again, Meta is completely optional, it's a platform to share stupid videos, no one NEEDS to be there.

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

bilekas wrote: post #200
cynicalsecurity wrote: post #149

As much as everyone hates Meta for selling people's personal data, this is absolutely ridiculous. The hysteria regarding forcing companies do parents' job doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Requiring ID to browse the internet is doing the parents jobs of managing what their kids are doing online. Stopping misleading advertisments and mental health issues while claiming to be protecting children is not on the parents. The parents were given the false information to believe their kids would be safe.

I've never seen Meta advertising themselves as a kindergarten or a playground for kids. They have always been perceived as public square or forum. It's wild to leave your child alone in public place and expect safety.

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Post by NickC25 »

fuzzfactor wrote: post #269

I don't know who they have to pay it to but that's only for New Mexico, which has about two million people which works out to about $187.50 per person. That's pretty cheap when it comes to deception. The eyes of Texas should be upon this, which is 15X the size and should not settle for less than $1000 per person, where deceptive trade practice is much more serious than other places. Now that would set a $30 billion e…

>Now that would set a $30 billion example which may not be enough of a deterrent either.

Mark's personally worth more than 10x that, Facebook's got a 1.7 trillion market cap, so it really wouldn't move the needle for them. Cost of doing business and whatnot.

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

CrazyStat wrote: post #288
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes, because intelligence agencies are known for broadcasting their moves to everyone. I can guarantee you believe in a lot of things that you have no actual evidence of happening - just some perceived authority figure you trust for whatever reason, telling you it happened. Also - WHYY.org has received support through NewsMatch partner funds, which often includes contributions from large technology firms like Face…

You chose your sources, not me.

Besides bloggers / youtubers who have written / talked about this, there's a single news story returned by Google, which I sourced. If there were other articles to source from, I would have. Given that our internet was created by DARPA and has always been under the control of intelligence agencies / governments, it's not shocking that there aren't a plethora of sources regarding Facebook emerging from DARPA.

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

dmoy wrote: post #303
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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No way, we've known for 15 years that it was the CIA, not DARPA, after The Onion broke the story: https://youtu.be/ZJ380SHZvYU

Distracting from actual stories like DARPA's lifelog program ending the same day Mark Zuckerberg announces Facebook to the world, with dumb videos from the onion, is really doing the world a great service.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by [deleted] »

tinfoilhatter wrote: post #281
CrazyStat wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I require at least some evidence. Your own source says there is none.

Oh yes, because intelligence agencies are known for broadcasting their moves to everyone. I can guarantee you believe in a lot of things that you have no actual evidence of happening - just some perceived authority figure you trust for whatever reason, telling you it happened. Also - WHYY.org has received support through NewsMatch partner funds, which often includes contributions from large technology firms like Face…

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