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Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by catapart »

pfraze wrote: post #197
catapart wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

nevermind the apologist. his paycheck is paid by people that have capitulated to the same bullshit. and you know what they say about people learning lessons whom have a financial incentive not to.

Indeed. There has been zero political opposition to these laws. Apple isn’t going to pay the fines on our behalf, so we need to get organizing if we don’t like this.

ah, yeah; I guess organization looks like complete capitulation and then commenting on the effect elsewhere with a sturdy shrug "whatcha gonna do? we're all just so powerless". fighting the good fight.

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Post by mathgradthrow »

frizlab wrote: post #121
bsimpson wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you Author started at System 8. They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone.

> They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone. They sure have tried since forever though. My uncle complained about Apple for this very reason ~20y ago…

wasn't that about when the iphone came out?

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Post by Retr0id »

chuckadams wrote: post #194

What keeps me in the Appleverse is the hardware, and the software that Just Works with the hardware (I find that "Just Works" has been rapidly eroding in general, but naturally it still handles the hardware well). The alternatives are Linux on much worse hardware, or the non-starter that is Windows on anything whatsoever. I'm told ThinkPads are getting to parity and have primo Linux support, but barring accident, my…

Linux runs well on M2 (and hopefully also M3 in the future)

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Post by Levitz »

swiftcoder wrote: post #188
dghf wrote: post #127

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> Ofcom, the UK’s communications regulator, praised Apple for the decision, especially since it’s not required to implement age verification for the iOS or its App Store under the region’s Online Safety Act. https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/apple-introduces-age-verif...

While Ofcom hasn't required it yet , they have indicated that they very much plan to[1]. Apple is pretty clearly getting out ahead of this, and simultaneously removing the burden of compliance off all of the relevant app developers (which seems in line with their overall privacy stance - I'm more inclined to trust Apple with my ID than I am some social network) [1]: https://www.rpclegal.com/snapshots/consumer/winter-…

Removing friction from a process that damages privacy is not a positive.

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Post by thot_experiment »

ap99 wrote: post #182
raincole wrote: post #47

> Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score. UK passed age verification law and people still find a way to blame the US.

It's more out of convenience that credit card is used. There isn't some American principle that human = credit score. Americans just don't want their government ID required to do basic things. See discord age verification controversy.

What are you talking about, have you tried to exist in America without a credit score? It absolutely is an American principle, just because it's not explicitly stated in the constitution doesn't mean it's not true.

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Post by JollySharp0 »

eimrine wrote: post #157
raincole wrote: post #47

> Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score. UK passed age verification law and people still find a way to blame the US.

They were expected to fight the evil, not to join.

None of these corporations are going to have their CEO / CTO / CFO go to Jail, face the huge fines or get kicked out of the UK for you.

4chan, KiwiFarms etc. can stick a middle finger up at the UK because tbh they probably don't have that many UK users and have nothing there for the British Government to go after, the best they can do is probably nab the owner if they ever land on UK soil.

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Post by AndriyKunitsyn »

bogdan wrote: post #119
raincole wrote: post #47

> Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score. UK passed age verification law and people still find a way to blame the US.

His complaints are that Apple only supports credit cards for age verification. Please read more carefully.

"My shepherd pokes me with a stick, but it's the tree's fault that this stick is so sharp".

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Post by johnthedebs »

stavros wrote: post #178
dghf wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it is fundamentally the UK’s fault by requiring such draconian measures It would appear the UK doesn't: > Ofcom, the UK’s communications regulator, praised Apple for the decision, especially since it’s not required to implement age verification for the iOS or its App Store under the region’s Online Safety Act. -- https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/apple-introduces-age-verif...

Apple has done this sort of thing before, where they don't like a law, they'll implement some unnecessary and shitty feature, and then say "hey don't blame us, blame your MPs!".

Sounds like you're talking about Apple disabling Advanced Data Protection in the UK? https://support.apple.com/en-us/122234

Weird take to shift the blame to Apple for that.

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

arjie wrote: post #51
daedrdev wrote: post #9

Any system of age verification will fail to satisfy the writer, because it is fundamentally the UK’s fault by requiring such draconian measures. Credit cards don't work ever time, but the other options of using AI or sending your data to a third company who will resell it are also not great. The only other complaint seems to be liquid glass? It really feels strange because Apple feels on the upswing with their new of…

Reading between the lines, the author of the blog post would have gone along with the verification with annoyance if the verification had worked. What seems to have prompted everything is the credit cards failing. The fact that they couldn't use Wallet and then tried manually with all five sort of illustrates that they would have gone along with it. Edge cases like immigrants in a different land are typically unmet f…

> Edge cases like immigrants in a different land

It’s a brutal faux pas from Apple to consider immigrants an “edge case”. We are a significant group in many countries. (That said - I don’t have any banking products from my country of origin anymore)

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