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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by xnorswap »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #68

Any age verification should come with an OAUTH style government run API. The idea being you verify your ID with the government, and the service that required age verification gets back a true or false for does this user meet this age requirement. That way the amount of data shared is kept to a minimum. The UK, and Brazil who passed a similar law, 'cheated' by just forcing private companies to figure it out.

Some kind of Digital ID?

The UK government proposed that and was met by the usual resistance to it.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by estebank »

fredley wrote: post #95
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

I had the UK Age verification popup today. It verified immediately based on the age of my Apple account, I didn't have to take any further action. I am much younger than the OP, and probably than their Apple account. I am surprised that this didn't happen for them.

The OP states they've migrated. That might mean that the field on their account database entry might be related to that move. The account is older, but when moving countries I've had to do weird dances to get my Google accounts to accept the new locale, and wouldn't be surprised if their computed account age coincides with me having done that change.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by wtallis »

secondcoming wrote: post #49
daedrdev wrote: post #9

Any system of age verification will fail to satisfy the writer, because it is fundamentally the UK’s fault by requiring such draconian measures. Credit cards don't work ever time, but the other options of using AI or sending your data to a third company who will resell it are also not great. The only other complaint seems to be liquid glass? It really feels strange because Apple feels on the upswing with their new of…

UK, California and Brazil, no?

California's law requires that the OS ask the user for their age, and accept the response as-is without doing any verification.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by bogdan »

bdcravens wrote: post #131
bogdan wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His complaints are that Apple only supports credit cards for age verification. Please read more carefully.

What process are other companies using?

Amazon Developer sent me an email about this recently. They supported:

* Passport

* Identity Card

* Driver's License

It rejected my Driver's License and I gave up after that.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by card_zero »

catapart wrote: post #100
bsimpson wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you Author started at System 8. They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone.

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"Installation rights", fucking hell.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by embedding-shape »

mikepurvis wrote: post #102
golfer wrote: post #75

These "breaking up with Apple" stories pop up from time to time here. Cracks me up because they all follow the same pattern: "I'm done with Apple. I've been a Mac user since since $EARLY_YEAR. I loved using $OLD_APPLE_HARDWARE to work on $VARIOUS_INTERESTING_PROJECTS. I fondly recall $FORMATIVE_APPLE_MEMORY. But they've gone too far. $NEW_APPLE_ENSHITTIFICATION is the last straw, I can't do this any more. This will b…

What is it that bothers you about this type of discussion? For myself I just switched back to Android after a decade of iOS so I'm always interested in what it was that was the last straw for others. (for me it was interop issues around wearables and trackers; I want to use chipolo and a pebble watch and not feel punished every day for going out of the ecosystem)

> what it was that was the last straw for others

CarPlay being actively dangerous if you use it for GPS navigation and someone dares to call you, so the call prompt blocks the entire screen until you either accept or reject the call, was my last straw.

Sure, shit UX and UI is a hassle, but at least it was somewhat consistent. But that the UX department have completely left the building so they're enabling UX that puts people in real life danger? That's the stop I get off at.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by eimrine »

raincole wrote: post #47

> Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score. UK passed age verification law and people still find a way to blame the US.

They were expected to fight the evil, not to join.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by napolux »

throw7 wrote: post #80

Wow, that age verification is wild. We need to fight this here in the U.S. If my cell phone starts requiring gov't id and credit/debit cards for verification... god help me...

Age verification is just a way to finally tell advertisers you're not an AI, so they can stop wasting money on purchasing AI-flooded-views.

Change my mmind

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by tsunamifury »

For anyone at Apple: your company is on fire. You’re making too much money to notice but Apple is literally on fire.

This problem is everywhere in your products and it’s clear the passion for high quality work is gone from the company.

Apple will not survive at luxury prices and Google level service.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by lynndotpy »

Pay08 wrote: post #33
lynndotpy wrote: post #6

The space allocated for "Apple has lost their way" has been maxed out for decades, so it bears stressing that this time is different. This Liquid Glass debacle has disillusioned everyone from hardcore Apple fans to normal people who otherwise don't follow tech. Once the dust settles, this will be a case study for decades to come. Apple threw their hard-won reputational gains off a cliff for _nothing_.

You're far overstating the effect it has had.

That's fair, by "everyone" it's probably only several million people.

Other than that, I stand by my statement exactly. This is very bad.

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