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Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

CrazyStat wrote: post #278
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you require everything you read to spell out everything for you point blank? Are you unable to connect dots? The DARPA lifelog project ended the day Facebook was announced by a college dropout no one had ever heard of before. Facebook just happened to have the exact same goals / features as the lifelog project. Must just be a giant coincidence huh?

I require at least some evidence. Your own source says there is none.

Oh yes, because intelligence agencies are known for broadcasting their moves to everyone.

I can guarantee you believe in a lot of things that you have no actual evidence of happening - just some perceived authority figure you trust for whatever reason, telling you it happened.

Also -

WHYY.org has received support through NewsMatch partner funds, which often includes contributions from large technology firms like Facebook (Meta) to support local journalism. These funds are generally used to match donations, helping stations like WHYY increase their financial sustainability and support public media.

What a surprise!

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by dminik »

intended wrote: post #256
dwedge wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The general public is being told they are faced with a crisis. This has been a problem for at least a decade, yet suddenly it's at the forefront and conveniently ties into ID verification for everyone to use general purpose computing. I'm sorry but if you don't think there's a conspiracy I have a bridge to sell you. It was already unveiled that Meta has lobbied billions towards promoting this legislative change

Oh hell no! Its been decades of work to even get social media to court. No one wants to talk about this or look at the issues when it’s not sexy. $@&$$ - I’ve been at conferences and had safety teams cry on my shoulder about how THEY don’t get engineering resources if they ask for it. Tech platforms suppress so much research and hold so much data hostage, that an entire research coalition based on independence from t…

> Zuck and tech as a whole pivoted to drop safety investments the moment this government came to power.

I think the question to ask here is, if both Meta and the current administration don't care about child safety, why is the age verification stuff going so smoothly? Is helping them do this really the right move?

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by hexaga »

alexfoo wrote: post #231
giancarlostoro wrote: post #190

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I mean, their telemetry crap is on a lot of apps too. I remember someone DMing me something very niche on Discord, and by chance I opened up Facebook, it gave me ads for that very, very niche thing I have never even looked up on Google, or Facebook, it was like IMMEDIATE. I opened up Facebook by chance, and voila. The other one was the time I was speaking to my brother in law, who had just paved his driveway, he said…

> The other one was the time I was speaking to my brother in law, who had just paved his driveway, he said "I could have used airport grade tar, but thought it was too much" and we were in front of his Nest security cam is the only thing I can think of, but the very next morning, I'm scrolling through Facebook, and sure enough, someone local is advertising airport grade tar. Why? I didn't google this, I only heard it…

Option C: no cameras or crude wifi tracing needed; they know who you talk to / associate with based on location data and the full profile of both sides, and can estimate things like 'will have mentioned X' -> can dispatch that via heuristic like 'show ads for X thing that was also mentioned by someone adjacent on that social graph'.

That is, BiL was marked as 'spreader for airport grade tar' based on recent activity, marked as having been in contact with spreadee, and then spreadee was marked as having received the spreading. P(conversion) high, so the ad is shown.

It's just contact tracing, it works well and is really easy even without literally watching what goes on in interactions.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by boysenberry »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #203
boysenberry wrote: post #144

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I’ve just been stung by iOS 26.4’s implementation of the age-gate. My only option has been to rollback with a 26.3.1 IPSW. I unlurked and made a thread last night, but I think it might be hidden due to account age: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47511919

Yep, your post and this comment were hidden. I vouched for them so they're visible now. Good luck!

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Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by GuB-42 »

electric_muse wrote: post #103

The same company intentionally driving minors towards this content (despite claiming to care about them) is also lobbying in secrecy for requiring all of us to scan our ID and face in order to use our phones and computers. Their stated reason? Child safety. Their actual reason? You can figure that out.

The actual reason: child safety regulations

They don't care about child safety as long as it doesn't become so bad as to impact their revenue negatively. But they see that governments all over the world push for some kinds of age restrictions, and they know they are a prime target and it is hard for them to push back against that.

The reason they are (not so secretly) lobbying for requiring us to ID ourselves at the device level is that they don't want to be the gatekeepers. They want to make creating an account as effortless as possible and having to prove your age is a barrier that make turn off some people, including adults, and they may instead turn to services that don't require age verification. By moving the age verification in the OS, not only the responsibility shifts to the OS or hardware vendor, but it also removes the disadvantage they have against services that don't require age verification.

For a similar issue, PornHub is currently blocked in France, because they don't want to comply with the law related to age verification. Here is their argument: https://www.aylo.com/newsroom/aylo-suspends-access-to-pornhu...

If you read between the lines, you will see that they have the same stance: "put age verification at the OS level, so that people don't discriminate against us". They know they are not in a position to argue against "child safety" laws, so instead, they lobby for making it worse for everyone instead of just themselves.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by Quarrelsome »

1over137 wrote: post #266
rolandog wrote: post #252

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Exactly. It started out as something good: see what friends and family are up to. But now: scroll infinite algorithmically placed or sponsored rage bait trying to trigger you into behaving the way that advances certain corporate or foreign interests at the expense of whatever was left of our already tattered social fabric and our collective mental or literal health.

> It started out as something good No it didn’t. That was just like the first free sample from the drug dealer. Give a “good” free service to rope them in, always with the next steps in mind.

I disagree. I feel like earlier social networks hadn't yet huffed the "lean startup" gas and weren't obsessed with engagement and thus were not yet trying to hook their users into an engagement cycle like where we are today.

I feel like the Myspace/Friendster and early Facebook were nowhere near as harmful (albeit for addiction, those sites were still vulnerable to grooming) as where we are today.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by CrazyStat »

tinfoilhatter wrote: post #281
CrazyStat wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I require at least some evidence. Your own source says there is none.

Oh yes, because intelligence agencies are known for broadcasting their moves to everyone. I can guarantee you believe in a lot of things that you have no actual evidence of happening - just some perceived authority figure you trust for whatever reason, telling you it happened. Also - WHYY.org has received support through NewsMatch partner funds, which often includes contributions from large technology firms like Face…

You chose your sources, not me.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by Quarrelsome »

tinfoilhatter wrote: post #277
CrazyStat wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your own source [2] says: > But to be clear, there is no evidence DARPA or the U.S. intelligence services had any role in the creation of Facebook.

Do you require everything you read to spell out everything for you point blank? Are you unable to connect dots? The DARPA lifelog project ended the day Facebook was announced by a college dropout no one had ever heard of before. Facebook just happened to have the exact same goals / features as the lifelog project. Must just be a giant coincidence huh?

yeah I'm sure an immensely powerful and shadowy conspiracy trusted their most critical operation to a 20 year old college dropout. Makes sense to me.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by CabSauce »

zeeshana07x wrote: post #213

Fines like this only work if they're large enough to change behavior. $375M for a company Meta's size is more of an accounting entry than a deterrent.

While true, this is just one pretty small state. There are others.
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