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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by NateEag »

oorza wrote: post #290
no_wizard wrote: post #255

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Personally I’m glad that big IP came in and smashed the AI companies like this. They been relentlessly ripping off smaller creators for some time now. It opens the precedent for those creators to now also hold these companies responsible. That’s not a bad thing under the current legal system in this way. Also, seeing genuine original creations created with AI assistance is much more interesting to me

> Also, seeing genuine original creations created with AI assistance is much more interesting to me The great disappointment about how all of this is marketed is what AI should be good at doing - enhancing a tiny budget - is all but forgotten. I don't want a video of Pikachu fighting Doctor Strange, I want some weirdos fantastical horror movie that he could never get financed, but was able to green screen and use AI…

> I want musicians to use AI to generate new sounds as part of composition.

As a onetime semi-pro musician, with decades of live performance and sound design experience:

I would rather burn my beloved instruments publicly and pee on the fire.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by fc417fc802 »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #445
fc417fc802 wrote: post #423

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To your point about cars - such an expectation could well save your life now that there are so many EVs on the road. You do not want to hang out in one of those after a collision. Regardless, I agree that it's probably a bad idea to instill defective mental models in people.

Eh, the stats don’t seem to support EVs being terribly explosion-prone either. In comparison to gas cars, maybe, but both are very safe in absolute terms. Harder to extinguish if they do catch fire, but I think if I came upon a fresh accident and there’s no immediate signs of a battery fire (airbags smoke, it’s normal), I would still leave the victim in the car seated until someone trained shows up. Sure, be ready to…

The likelihood or lack thereof is not the problem. My mental model might be off because it largely isn't based on EVs but I've seen plenty of videos of e-bikes and more generally cheap lithium batteries going up in flames and I don't think it's at all comparable to a pool or stream of gasoline catching on fire. The issue is how rapidly it develops since it doesn't require an external oxidizer which is exactly the same as a firework.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by hansvm »

lacunary wrote: post #390
rogerrogerr wrote: post #370

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I was thinking about this while typing. I don’t really care about classically animated content; it’s generally not trying to be indistinguishable from real life and I don’t feel like my brain trains on it. But I think I do have similar feelings about special effects. A difference is that special effects tend to depict scenarios very outside of the envelope of normal experience, so probably not very damaging if my mod…

if it worked this way, we could get good at golf by watching TV, writing songs by listening to the radio, or doing math by watching 3b1b. but it doesn't - we don't learn that way, for better or worse.

That's not a great comparison. People absolutely do learn by watching, especially when they do so actively.

Your counter-examples have the property that most of the things you need to learn are absent from the media being watched, leading to an observation which is "obviously" true, but they ignore the impact of media on a journey properly incorporating other pieces of information. To compare to the mental models being discussed, you'd have to actually consider effects you're writing off as negligible, and when it comes to something like a world model which we've only learned by observation and which doesn't have a lot of additional specialized knowledge those effects might be much more impactful.

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Post by urda »

meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

I honestly forgot about Sora until this post, and yeah same behavior played with it for a bit, then moved on with my life.

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Post by ngcazz »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #240
apsurd wrote: post #228

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agree it's becoming my new default search engine. But it is actively getting worse in a distasteful sense: Want to hear the one TRICK most people forget when doing X...?

Yes, every response ends with that. Why did they set it up that way?

It's quite transparently a trick to prolong engagement with the app, just as pretty much any internet product which aims to maximize the LTV extracted from the user base.

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Post by johanyc »

QuantumNomad_ wrote: post #259
2001zhaozhao wrote: post #51

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They wanted network effects because ChatGPT was sorely lacking any. I actually thought the Sora app was promising at launch, at least on paper, but it seems like they failed to keep people's attention long term. With the failure of Sora i don't think they have good options left.

I generated a fair number of videos with Sora, and used a handful of those and edited them outside of Sora for a couple of short TikTok videos. Never once did I bother to browse videos made by others on Sora itself. I wonder if anyone did.

Same. I pretty much only watch videos I generate.

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Post by salt-thrower »

yabutlivnWoods wrote: post #305
meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill 24/7 titillation is boring

The interesting difference here is that other hedonic activities do bring people back even after the first time they build up a tolerance and get bored. But many of these AI "creative" apps seem like a one-and-done thing. Once the novelty wears off there isn't anything more deeply rewarding to bring people back.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by nananana9 »

johnfn wrote: post #321

As someone who generally liked the products that OpenAI puts out, I think Sora was their first product that I really didn't like. I liked GPT primarily because I felt like it respected me: I never felt like it was trying to distract me from my work or get me to waste time doomscrolling. It's primary value proposition to keep me using it wasn't to trick me with addictive content, but to get me high quality answers as…

What happened is that they make no money, because people use it an masse to generate videos that they then post on TikTok and Instagram, nobody actually doomscrolls Sora.
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