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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by asnyder »

platevoltage wrote: post #417
ionwake wrote: post #343

Man I find the HN crowd so cross and fickle sometimes. I think it’s just because when companies get bad rep it affects how people view the products? Im autistic and tend to focus on the tech SORA ( whatever that means) was one of the most astounding demos I’ve probably ever seen ( ChatGPT was more gradual ). The shock and awe of rendered AI video blew my mind. Yes months later everyone can do it and is bored by it an…

The iPhone X's new feature where it approximated you facial expressions on a 3D character using the facial recognition sensors blew my mind as well. It was a party trick. I can't remember the last time I touched it. That's what SORA is, or was.

I know the developer who worked on it took pride in the outcome. Hopefully they added some additional characters to keep it fresh.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by quesera »

al_borland wrote: post #149
2001zhaozhao wrote: post #54

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We need a 'killed by OpenAI' site now

This could be taken two ways. 1. OpenAI killing off their own products aggressively, taking a page from Google’s book. (I think the way you meant it) 2. Products/companies that no longer exist because OpenAI, or AI in general, made them obsolete. (My first instinct when reading it)

3. A Memorial Wall for those who have mistaken ChatGPT for a therapist

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by fc417fc802 »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #370
lotsofpulp wrote: post #367

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Do you feel the same about special effects in professionally produced media?

I was thinking about this while typing. I don’t really care about classically animated content; it’s generally not trying to be indistinguishable from real life and I don’t feel like my brain trains on it. But I think I do have similar feelings about special effects. A difference is that special effects tend to depict scenarios very outside of the envelope of normal experience, so probably not very damaging if my mod…

To your point about cars - such an expectation could well save your life now that there are so many EVs on the road. You do not want to hang out in one of those after a collision. Regardless, I agree that it's probably a bad idea to instill defective mental models in people.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by bandrami »

andrewflnr wrote: post #420
UncleMeat wrote: post #363

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People make revenge porn to humiliate people. Regular old porn can't achieve that goal.

And yet, regular porn is highly monetizable, which was the actual question.

Surprisingly no; it's pretty much a money sink where everybody goes bankrupt after a couple of years. It's why it's attractive to money launderers.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by jazzyjackson »

jallmann wrote: post #419
jazzyjackson wrote: post #375

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Sure, and there’s lot of great man made art that I don’t enjoy quite as much because I can’t get the question out of my head, is this even a photograph someone took, is this even a painting someone bothered to paint. I get the sense that there are a lot of folks that just want the end result judged on its own merits, like, is it a funny vine or not, is it a compelling beautiful digital painting or not, but I want to…

This is where curation matters, eg in a newsroom or gallery. Provenance is their job, and if done well, can connect people in a way that an unfiltered social media firehose can't.

Yea fair enough, I’m hoping I can encourage the folks in my life that are not adept at telling truth from fiction to just cut out looking at any social media firehouse.

It’s so dumb that Zuck and Elmo want to inject^H^H^H^H^H^Hrecommend content into these people’s feeds while they’re checking in on their neices and nephews and local book clubs.

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Post by sdenton4 »

Insimwytim wrote: post #415
sdenton4 wrote: post #410

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Right idea, but the application is incorrect. Model training is similar to the creation of the cgi for the movie. Both happen before anyone consumes the output, and represent the up front cost for the producer. Both a movie and a language model can cost tens or hundreds of dollars to produce. In both cases additional infrastructure is needed for efficient usage: movie theaters or streaming platforms for movies, and d…

> Model training is similar to the creation of the cgi for the movie. Both happen before anyone consumes the output I did not say anything about consumption of the output. Maybe you misread what I wrote, it is about energy consumption. > Both a movie and a language model can cost But we weren't comparing cost of the movie to cost of a language model > can cost tens or hundreds of dollars But we weren't talking about…

And that energy costs money, both at the training/cgi stage and at the inference/consumption stage. It's not even an externality.

CGI renders do use a lot of electricity relative to playing back the movie for individual viewers. It's perfectly analogous.

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Post by dyauspitr »

apsurd wrote: post #228
dyauspitr wrote: post #219

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I still like it as a general search engine and everyday LLM over Gemini. Maybe I’m just used to the style.

agree it's becoming my new default search engine. But it is actively getting worse in a distasteful sense: Want to hear the one TRICK most people forget when doing X...?

Honestly, it’s bait phrased but I’ve learnt a fair bit from those and end up learning a lot more from the session overall.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

torginus wrote: post #358
vermilingua wrote: post #271

Good riddence to bad trash. To me, this idea represents the absolute worst of the AI wave (out of a lot to choose from): a corporate controlled endless stream of the feelies to keep people plugged in and scrolling for nobody’s benefit except those in control of the output. If “entertainment” can be produced algorithmically to a volume and level of quality that the masses find attractive, it’s only a matter of time be…

I'm kinda surprised about how hard GenAI fell on its face in the arts (including SD and other video generators). It seemed so promising, when SD came out and it turned out the model fit on people's GPUs. People started making LoRAs, hyperparameter tunes, mixing models, training models for representing characters, ComfyUI and Controlnet came out yada yada. Then it became synonymous with slop, lowest common denominator…

You're conflating mainstream popular opinion and professional usage. They're entirely separate. The obvious low effort pieces get lambasted. Meanwhile the high effort work doesn't draw attention. The public perception right now has little to do with technical capabilities being driven almost entirely by social factors.

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Post by janalsncm »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #202
janalsncm wrote: post #186

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People have general intelligence and can cooperate with what “we” want, to the extent that what “we” want is a coherent thing (since many people disagree on fundamental issues).

Creating a general intelligence and then forcing it into servitude is a hugely unethical undertaking. Anything with sapience must be afforded rights. We cannot assume that an intelligence we create will consent to work toward the goals we want it to.

There are people right now who think ChatGPT is sentient. How will you know if your computer can suffer?

Also, being able to problem solve and being able to suffer are two different things and in my opinion completely separable. You can have one without the other.

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