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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by mancerayder »

Is this the thing that takes an already unusual video - an animal picking food from a Halloween candy on a porch caught on a porch cam - and turns it into a meme? The bear instead of the raccoon. Then turns into a cat playing a trumpet....then turns into massive spam where it turns into a grey area (a cat being surprised and chasing a dog with a mask) that gets reposted endlessly?

A record speed into AI slop. Is this what everything turns into when content creation becomes easy? what's happening here exactly?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by qingcharles »

nomel wrote: post #355
vermilingua wrote: post #271

Good riddence to bad trash. To me, this idea represents the absolute worst of the AI wave (out of a lot to choose from): a corporate controlled endless stream of the feelies to keep people plugged in and scrolling for nobody’s benefit except those in control of the output. If “entertainment” can be produced algorithmically to a volume and level of quality that the masses find attractive, it’s only a matter of time be…

I'm having trouble understanding this. There were some very funny videos, created by people with a great sense of humor, and I happen to enjoy laughing, and I don't feel bad about that. I always saw it as the Vine of AI. For a litmus test of your perspective, try using sora. Try to make a video that makes someone genuinely laugh. Sora doesn't prompt itself. Human creativity and humor is still required. Sure, it was m…

There were some genuinely very, very funny videos made on there. A lot of slop, but some definite nuggets of gold.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by jazzyjackson »

bredren wrote: post #356
Sir_Twist wrote: post #22

> OpenAI launched Sora last September, aiming to expand its dominance among consumers by creating a TikTok-style social feed that allowed users to share AI-generated content with one another. I never understood what this app was about. TikTok (and I would argue most modern social media platforms) isn’t really about sharing things with friends, it’s about entertainment. Most people watch TikToks and YouTube videos bec…

There were ~trends similar to what appeared early in TikTok. For example, early TikTok had the Boss Walk. Sora had no big content trends split into many micro trends in some established ~universe.

Well, that stuff goes viral because it’s fun to imitate, all the dances and challenges provided a flywheel to get people creating more content, it’s fun to make the video.

If I see an AI video and my options to participate are… prompt another AI video? What’s the point

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Insimwytim »

dieselgate wrote: post #384
lotsofpulp wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you feel the same about special effects in professionally produced media?

Are there energy consumption differences between CGI and AI?

We also need to take into account, that CGI only consumes energy when the actual creation of particular video happens.

"AI" consumes energy before user even started (during training).

That is on top of comparison for each particular case.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by umich2025 »

As a big user of ai video gen(my Google veo bill last month was $130) this doesn’t affect me in the slightest.

There’s so many video gen models out there and given the cheaper Chinese models I’m not surprised they closed this down. Besides the initial push, any marketing regarding video gen has always been the Kling or Higgsfield models. Just never a reason to do sora

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by qingcharles »

meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

The Cameo feature is really excellent. The likeness of both the person and the voice is exceptional. I really enjoyed making some funny Cameo videos with my friends. I don't know of another simple way to insert your own avatar with your own voice into a video, and I'm pretty deep in this space.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by RajT88 »

nomel wrote: post #355
vermilingua wrote: post #271

Good riddence to bad trash. To me, this idea represents the absolute worst of the AI wave (out of a lot to choose from): a corporate controlled endless stream of the feelies to keep people plugged in and scrolling for nobody’s benefit except those in control of the output. If “entertainment” can be produced algorithmically to a volume and level of quality that the masses find attractive, it’s only a matter of time be…

I'm having trouble understanding this. There were some very funny videos, created by people with a great sense of humor, and I happen to enjoy laughing, and I don't feel bad about that. I always saw it as the Vine of AI. For a litmus test of your perspective, try using sora. Try to make a video that makes someone genuinely laugh. Sora doesn't prompt itself. Human creativity and humor is still required. Sure, it was m…

> created by people with a great sense of humor

The real problem with AI slop is not the AI. It's the people. It's always the people.

The clickbait has started fooling people more than before, with the latest videos being halfway believable (except for the circumstances of the videos).

Technology enables the most malicious and self-interested, and systems need to be adjusted to not reward that, or users need to become wise to it.

With the amount of early 2000's style clickbait ads still around, I'm not sure we ever vanquished Web 1.0 style clickbait, it just got crowded out by ever more sophisticated forms.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by lotsofpulp »

lacunary wrote: post #390
rogerrogerr wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking about this while typing. I don’t really care about classically animated content; it’s generally not trying to be indistinguishable from real life and I don’t feel like my brain trains on it. But I think I do have similar feelings about special effects. A difference is that special effects tend to depict scenarios very outside of the envelope of normal experience, so probably not very damaging if my mod…

if it worked this way, we could get good at golf by watching TV, writing songs by listening to the radio, or doing math by watching 3b1b. but it doesn't - we don't learn that way, for better or worse.

I agree with rogerrogerr, and your comparisons don’t make sense to me. Getting good at complex motions and understanding theory is far different than building a simple model of cause and effect in the real world.

Most people can’t explain the physics they see, but they can deduce enough to be able to predict the effects of physical actions most of the time.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by umich2025 »

makingstuffs wrote: post #262
danso wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always suspected video-gen is basically a loss leader for OpenAI, Gemini, and Grok. They can't convince the general population that AI is world-changing trillion dollar tech with "vibe coding", but realistic fake videos are impressive at a glance, and might convince many non-technical people that AI/LLMs are something revolutionary.

I think of them all Gemini has the most viable use case when Veo is paired with their advertising platform. It does genuinely open the door to a lot of cost saving for promo shots of products etc

Agreed. For reference, if sora 2 was able to generate me a Google ugc product video, it would cost me like $10 and I would get it within 30 minutes if including editing. Paying a ugc content creator would cost me $50-200 plus no control over final shots plus I gotta wait for them to respond. I have 30 products in my e-commerce store— these costs add up like crazy

The other one is TV ads/cinamatic ads. For a 30 second clip expect to pay an agency $5-10k. Within a couple of days, I can make a video ad and have like $50 in api costs. Cost of production is so crazy in marketing.

Obv this is under the assumption ai is good to do either of those things. Which it hasn’t so far, best I’ve gotten is doing b-roll shots to stick together for an ad

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Insimwytim »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #367
rogerrogerr wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like taking in GenAI content, even if it makes me laugh, probably does something bad to my brain. It looks like real life, but the physics is just wrong in ways that range from obvious to very subtle. I don’t want to feed my brain videos of things that look photorealistic but do not depict reality, that just seems foolish somehow. Like, imagine if you watched a bunch of GenAI videos of cars sliding on ice from…

Do you feel the same about special effects in professionally produced media?

Effort makes a great deal of difference for me. The effort itself, the fact that it's there.

I am willing to suspend disbelief for Terminator 1, even if it is clear, that it's a head of the doll in shot.

But it is insulting to feed slop to your audience; it shows you didn't even try.

I have actually seen one slop-video, that I kinda enjoyed - it was obvious, that a great effort was put in a script and details as much as it was obvious it isn't being passed for the real thing.

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