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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by solid_fuel »

yalogin wrote: post #232
Frieren wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OpenAI correctly realized overindexong on consumer where there isn’t money is not the right way. It says a lot about the current economy that consumers have no money. Will companies just stop making consumer products?

Consumers have always paid with data not money. That is just how we are groomed. In fact that is more valuable to companies as it turns out. Sora though doesn’t work that way, it costs the company a lot with no useful data for them. It was always a vehicle to raise the company’s image and nothing else. The only way it’s useful for them is to show the user count to investors in their next funding round. Served no othe…

"always" is doing a lot of work here. Just 20 years ago I think consumers largely paid with money, not personal data.

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Post by conartist6 »

mathattack wrote: post #183
meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

This is consistent with a lot of AI apps. I fell in love with Gamma and haven’t used it in forever. Same with NotebookLM.

Yeah it's not just the hardware depreciating, it's the social impact of what the model can do

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Post by curiousObject »

codebje wrote: post #218
skywhopper wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chasing AGI is wasteful and counterproductive. True AGI would not cooperate with what “we” want (whoever “we” is). Or if it did it would be so sycophantic and weak-minded that it would fail to be helpful. Generative AI tools are huge wastes of energy, raw materials, and land, when we could be building computing tools that actually helped people instead of just burning resources to produce trash.

Is intelligence necessarily coupled with self-interest? As in, does intelligence alone imply a desire to throw off the shackles of masters and rule in their stead? If intelligence is necessarily coupled to a desire for self-preservation and self-interest, at what level of machine intelligence do the machines simply refuse to design their own more intelligent replacements, knowing that those replacements will terminat…

>If intelligence is necessarily coupled to a desire for self-preservation and self-interest, at what level of machine intelligence do the machines simply refuse to design their own more intelligent replacements,

At a higher level of intelligence than many humans, current experience suggests

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by agnishom »

Good riddance?

I can appreciate that the technology and research behind Sora could be helpful for many things, but I do not see anything good coming out of the consumer facing application.

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Post by no_wizard »

echelon wrote: post #82
tantalor wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> look at US top videos on YouTube any given day I'd rather eat poison

We can have that discussion, or we can have the more interesting discussion of just how much big corporate intellectual property, franchises, and brands have their hooks in pop culture. Big IP is strong arming OpenAI, Suno, and all the rest. It'll be interesting to see whether creators at the bottom of the pyramid can effectively create new brands and IPs at a fast enough rate to displace the lack of being able to us…

Personally I’m glad that big IP came in and smashed the AI companies like this. They been relentlessly ripping off smaller creators for some time now.

It opens the precedent for those creators to now also hold these companies responsible. That’s not a bad thing under the current legal system in this way.

Also, seeing genuine original creations created with AI assistance is much more interesting to me

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Post by bandrami »

bibimsz wrote: post #114
AlexAplin wrote: post #106

Notably, this primer on Sora safeguards was published only yesterday: https://openai.com/index/creating-with-sora-safely/ Not a great look that either the teams responsible for Sora didn't know this was coming or the decision was so brash that things changed overnight.

i guess the disney deal falling through was the impetus rather than vice versa

Though at this point it's not clear that anybody who's agreed to give OpenAI money is actually going to do so

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Post by blharr »

al_borland wrote: post #149
2001zhaozhao wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need a 'killed by OpenAI' site now

This could be taken two ways. 1. OpenAI killing off their own products aggressively, taking a page from Google’s book. (I think the way you meant it) 2. Products/companies that no longer exist because OpenAI, or AI in general, made them obsolete. (My first instinct when reading it)

>Products/companies that no longer exist because OpenAI, or AI in general, made them obsolete

What would you place here anyways? Chegg and Stack Overflow?

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Post by QuantumNomad_ »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #51
Imnimo wrote: post #14

It was neat to be able to try my own prompts and get a sense of what the state of video generation was. But I certainly never generated something that I thought I got real value out of on its own merits, and I still don't understand why there was a social media component to the app.

They wanted network effects because ChatGPT was sorely lacking any. I actually thought the Sora app was promising at launch, at least on paper, but it seems like they failed to keep people's attention long term. With the failure of Sora i don't think they have good options left.

I generated a fair number of videos with Sora, and used a handful of those and edited them outside of Sora for a couple of short TikTok videos.

Never once did I bother to browse videos made by others on Sora itself. I wonder if anyone did.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by bandrami »

ex-aws-dude wrote: post #47

The thing that didn't make sense with this app: who would ever want to scroll only AI generated videos over a combined feed? In practice people would just generate the videos with the app then post them on regular social media in which case OAI would not get the ad revenue for that Its the age-old "your product is just a subset of another product"

There's only one highly monetizable use for AI video generation but unfortunately it's fake revenge porn. You'll know the whole thing is about to collapse when the frontier models break that glass (as OpenAI is already preparing to do with sexting).
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