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Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Establishments don't record my data or even take down my name. They take a look at the birthdate and wave me forward.

> Establishments don't record my data or even take down my name.

What are you talking about. Have you really never rented a car before?

Some establishments, as part of their business practice, require identification.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Many will cheer for any case that hurts Meta without reading the details, but we should be aware that these cases are one of the key reasons why companies are backtracking from features like end-to-end encryption: > The New Mexico case also raised concerns that allowing teens to use end-to-end encryption on Instagram chats — a privacy measure that blocks anyone other than sender and receiver from viewing a conversati…

I’m actually okay with not letting under age people use e2e. I’m not okay with blocking everyone. I have 2 kids.

You just need to provide the government with your name and address and the name and address of the counter party every time you send an encrypted message.

If you don't support this you're obviously a pedo nazi terrorist.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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The problem is all these ‘for the children’ arguments contain collateral damage.

It does seem like it could potentially be used to enforce mass surveillance over the people of the United States

Alphabet can grep your emails, Amazon has literal microphones and cameras in most peoples houses

That ship has sailed

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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I cheer any decision that holds any private web property (like Facebook) accountable for it's user actions.

It helps to reduce hegemony of large social platforms and promotes privately owned websites. For example, I know everyone who has permissions to post on my website (or pre-moderate strangers comments), and is ready to take responsibility for their posts, what my website publishes.

Currently the legal stance seems strange to me -- large media platforms are allowed to store, distribute, rank and sell strangers data, while at the same time they claim they are not responsible for it.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Establishments don't record my data or even take down my name. They take a look at the birthdate and wave me forward.

> Establishments don't record my data or even take down my name. What are you talking about. Have you really never rented a car before? Some establishments, as part of their business practice, require identification.

And many don't. Bars, nightclubs, liquor stores, tobacconists, R-rated movies.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Many will cheer for any case that hurts Meta without reading the details, but we should be aware that these cases are one of the key reasons why companies are backtracking from features like end-to-end encryption: > The New Mexico case also raised concerns that allowing teens to use end-to-end encryption on Instagram chats — a privacy measure that blocks anyone other than sender and receiver from viewing a conversati…

The correct nuance here is... * Classifying accounts as child accounts (moderated by a parent) * Allowing account moderators to review content in the account that is moderated (including assigning other moderation tools of choice) In call cases transparency and enabling consumer choice should be the core focus. Additionally: by default treat everyone online as an adult. Parents that allow their kids online like that…

> Classifying accounts as child accounts

It's ok to drive Dad's truck unless he catches you and tells you no.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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I’m actually okay with not letting under age people use e2e. I’m not okay with blocking everyone. I have 2 kids.

I have kids. I don't want creeps and predators spying on their conversations with friends.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210522003136/https://blog.nucy...

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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> Establishments don't record my data or even take down my name. What are you talking about. Have you really never rented a car before? Some establishments, as part of their business practice, require identification.

And many don't. Bars, nightclubs, liquor stores, tobacconists, R-rated movies.

We don't see people worried that bars, nightclubs, liquor stores, tobacconists, R-rated movies asking for age verification will slip into requiring names too.

It honestly looks like an emotional panic. People who take seriously slippery slopes aren't to be taken seriously themselves.

Social media is like e-cigarettes in the sense that the shift toward nicotine salts (think Juul) around 2015 resulted in e-cigarettes becoming more dangerous and thus more age-restricted.

It's also like consumer credit cards. Remember that in 1985 Bank of America just mailed out 60,000 unsolicited credit cards to residents of Fresno, CA without application, age verification, or identity check. They just landed in people's mailboxes, including those of minors. Eventually a predatory lending industry developed and we increased the age and ID requirements. My point is that systems can, and do become more dangerous overtime. Not all, but not none.

Algorithmic feeds, online advertising, and attention engineering are the nicotine salts of social media. The product's changed, so should the access.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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I understand the concern but then to make this available for adults you now have to provide proof of age to companies, which opens up another can of privacy worms.

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I believe Zuckerberg has a term for people who willingly break online anonymity because someone with a domain name and website asks them to.
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