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Re: Apple Business

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Post by IrishTechie »

wpm wrote: post #197
cocoflunchy wrote: post #88

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I'm currently in that hellish process too... I don't know how to get out of it. Did you know that your employees will be forbidden from downloading from the App store once you launched that migration? It's a nightmare

Well yeah, the idea is that if you have ABM, you have an MDM you can use to purchase licenses for them and install the apps with the MDM.

It can be done that way, but it is definitely not the norm. Businesses will generally “purchase” (many for €0) apps in ABM that are to be used for business purposes and push those to devices, the user can then use an Apple ID to download any other apps they want for personal use.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by IrishTechie »

FireBeyond wrote: post #149
cocoflunchy wrote: post #88

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I'm currently in that hellish process too... I don't know how to get out of it. Did you know that your employees will be forbidden from downloading from the App store once you launched that migration? It's a nightmare

Apple and MDM has always been a shit show. In the days as recently as Ventura (last time I tried it), MDM bypass was as simple as "null route 4 DNS entries during install process, remove null routing after install complete, and never be bothered by it again". This is on Apple Silicon. With no workarounds or anything, upgrades work all the way up to Tahoe. Like really Apple, that's your device "locking"? I could test…

The baffling thing is that iOS+MDM has been fantastic over the years. macOS is a completely different beast though.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by Closi »

thewebguyd wrote: post #184
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #129

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It's not pretty, but both Pages and Numbers are pretty powerful in their modern incarnations. If you actually need Microsoft Office, then you need it, but a lot of people who don't think they could get away with just Apple's freebies probably could. (Disclosure: I write 99% of my stuff in Emacs now, so I'm not going to go that far out on a limb for iWork. It's just that it's the best "Works"-style suite that I've use…

> If you actually need Microsoft Office I also like Apple's office suite, the problem is network effects. I'd even argue most people don't actually need MS Office. The amount of people using PowerQuery, VBA, etc. is probably less than 2% of users. The problem is, because everyone else (in business) already has and uses office, if you want to collaborate, that's what you have to use. Open file formats didn't win out i…

> the problem is network effects

This is absolutely the problem - with the added issue of platform support.

I’m the only Mac user in our company of 15, which means I’m also the only person that can open a .pages file. Anyone can read a .docx, and if authored in word it will actually look the same on both computers.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by nielsbot »

amelius wrote: post #115
nhubbard wrote: post #102

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They did it in the 1990s and it failed so hard that it almost took down the company.

Why can others do it?

Apple's entire success story is their vertical integration. They can't do that and OEM.

As for the PC makers: they don't innovate. Microsoft doesn't care who sells PCs, Intel doesn't care who sells PCs. Every PC maker is essentially an assembly company. If you appreciate Apple's innovation in the laptop space over the past x years, then you don't want Apple to be an OEM.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by ibejoeb »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #26

So do enterprises still need Jamf [1]? For context, Jamf is one of the most common MDM tools for organizations. [1]: https://www.jamf.com/

It's not apparent that this apple mdm will do internal distribution or just provide for encouraging a set of installed apps already on the app store. If it does, that would be the biggest reason for me to jump to the free product.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by bigyabai »

drcongo wrote: post #85
bigyabai wrote: post #65

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A B2C relationship and a B2B relationship are not the same thing. Apple does well with the B2C pipeline, but they will only surpass Jamf in the B2B department if they play dirty.

By business relationship I meant B2B. They're excellent.

Relative to what? The top comment in this thread is a 3-person chain explaining how their B2B accounts were locked with no communication or recourse.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by dointheatl »

Schiendelman wrote: post #187
dangus wrote: post #111

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Serviceable != upgradable or long-lasting. So many people are going to get burned by the hypnotism of these Neos. They're going to be gateways into being traded in within 2-3 years to get something with more RAM and storage when their owners find out how much they struggle with basic tasks due to insufficient RAM and storage. If you actually go on Best Buy or Micro Center websites and look at street prices you'll rea…

I think you might be very surprised by what you can do with eight gigs of RAM on Apple Silicon. Apple does hardware compression into memory - it performs as well as a 16 GB machine did with an Intel chip.

I don't think you get it, OC tried the trackpad in a MicroCenter. It's game over.
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