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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by raddan »

jacquesm wrote: post #82
jeppester wrote: post #51

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The only way this get better is if the user gets to choose between an OS with ads, lock-in, telemetry etc. and then one with none of that. As it is now, buying a laptop in a store is a "pick your poison" situation.

What bugged me for years is that I ended up paying the microsoft or apple tax that way. In the end I figured out a more efficient way around that than any of the rebates/refunds: just buy second hand hardware. Someone else paid for and used the windows license, I just need the box.

If you don’t need a laptop, you can also build a machine from parts. This is probably the best way to run a desktop computer.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by randoadmin »

alexb_ wrote: post #120
Ranxer wrote: post #104

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Better yet: don't pick any poison at all -- both System76 and Tuxedo Computers (as examples, sometimes you can buy a latop without an OS and save the money, same goes for PCs) offer laptops with Linux installed: no Microslop tax, and hardware that's guaranteed to work with OSS.

Most people want a computer that works with their software. No, "learn the FOSS version" is not a solution. Especially because nearly everyone has some niche thing they like, some 5% that isn't covered by the FOSS solutions, that only a niche Windows program can actually do correctly. And that doesn't even get into gaming.

Well, considering that you can run almost anything (excluding games and specialized graphics software) with 99.99999% guaranteed result via WinApps, I don't see what the issue is for a hypothetical member of the majority population.

It's not 2016 anymore, you don't have to switch to LibreOffice if you need an office suite of apps.

That obviously would be preferable, but if you're an avid Microsoft ecosystem user, just use WinApps. It's simple enough to the point that a child could use it.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #101
Havoc wrote: post #48

Their office subscriptions are also going up in price at. Crazy rates. Giving Stiff competition to food price inflation All because it has some AI stuff on it that I don’t want.

Funny thing: I wanted to try out Copilot to help with creating a starting point for a diagram in Visio. Copilot isn't in Visio (at least in the subscription my work pays for). I used Copilot's chat interface instead, and it is unable to generate a diagram in the Visio .vsdx format; it tried, failed, tried to fix it, failed. Sigh.

Copilot's glaring limitations when interacting with Office are insane considering that's its main value prop

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by PxldLtd »

ekianjo wrote: post #100
Draiken wrote: post #85

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I don't think "care" is the right word here at all. We simply don't have options. This is capitalism's biggest flaw: it's based on the assumption that there will be competition, but competition eventually leads to winners that then consolidate their positions and we end up with no real choices. You're telling me people would pick a worse OS because they don't care even if they had real options? I don't believe that f…

> This is capitalism's biggest flaw: it's based on the assumption that there will be competition The fact that governments allow Microsoft to abuse its position to force OEMs to install Windows is the biggest problem. This would never happen in a market where regulation ensures healthy competition.

Yes, the neo-liberal economy we've ended up with has drifted quite far from well-regulated Capitalism. I'd still argue that we owe a lot of our rights to hard-fought socialist policy though.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by foltik »

anthonylevine wrote: post #124
account42 wrote: post #118

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We can blame both. If my repair bill was higher because the mechanic chose to use a ridiculous electric screwdriver that used tons of power to achieve what a normal screwdriver can and stripped the screws in the process then I'd also be upset with both the mechanic and the ridiculously inefficient tool.

> a ridiculous electric screwdriver So React, the most popular front-end library and used my hundreds of thousands of successful apps, is the ridiculous electric screwdriver? See how weird that sounds and makes it obvious you guys can't give an honest assessment?

Its popularity or success in other apps has nothing to with the windows situation.

Other apps are successful despite being slow and bloated, since performance isn’t a primary concern of users. In contrast it’s critical for OS internals like the start menu, so a javascript runtime and framework is just the wrong tool for the job.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Gigachad »

yfw wrote: post #130
Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

Like that windows recall feature which they keep pushing

Because Microsoft makes far more money on enterprise and ai products than they do selling windows licenses to consumers.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by nirava »

alexb_ wrote: post #123
Mashimo wrote: post #115

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I used linux on Desktop 15 years ago, tried it once in a while every few years. But there was always something. Often video driver, tearing, hardware video decoding, or a specific game that I played a lot. And now it would be that my DJ software does not run on it. Still use it on my server though. I might try a MacBook air at some point, but they are quite expensive when you need 1TB disk for your music files. But f…

The last time I tried to use Linux, I said "fuck this" when I had to open up a text editor for something so basic as making a shortcut with command line arguments. This is the easiest menu in the world on Windows, but it took me looking up a bunch of things to get it to not work on Linux. The real crime, by a lot, it middle click. I did not realize how often I use middle click scroll until I switched to Linux and it…

So you switched something as fundamental as the OS, and were pissed that it was … different?

You can fault Linux as the primary desktop environment for a few things, but that it’s different to MS is not one of those.

Do you also rant about having no windows key on a MacBook?

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