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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by voidUpdate »

anthonylevine wrote: post #124
account42 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can blame both. If my repair bill was higher because the mechanic chose to use a ridiculous electric screwdriver that used tons of power to achieve what a normal screwdriver can and stripped the screws in the process then I'd also be upset with both the mechanic and the ridiculously inefficient tool.

> a ridiculous electric screwdriver So React, the most popular front-end library and used my hundreds of thousands of successful apps, is the ridiculous electric screwdriver? See how weird that sounds and makes it obvious you guys can't give an honest assessment?

React is a javascript library. Javascript needs its own runtime. Why not just write stuff in native windows controls and save having to run an entire javascript runtime for no reason?

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by tremon »

anthonylevine wrote: post #114
general1465 wrote: post #102

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Blaming React is correct. It is like asking for a picture on a wall and instead getting noisy, power hungry plasma TV on a wall.

This metaphor is so stupidly bad it's hard to believe you guys even know what React is.

Thank you, your comment sure helps to improve our understanding of React a lot.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by M95D »

mexicocitinluez wrote: post #35

Every product manager at the company in the Windows and MS office products divisions need fired. They have made so many unforced errors in recent years its hard to imagine serious people currently inhabit those roles. Office.com, the cornerstone of Office, is now just a prompt. A prompt!!!! They make it near impossible to manage a small/medium sized company with the unending tweaking, moving, and rebranding of every…

Yeah, but...

Did they increase profits and/or stock price or not? That's the only relevant question. Not what happend to Office.com or what you think about their products.

Also, you and me are not the customers. Govs and corporations are.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by snozolli »

Lucky me, I'm stuck one or two releases back. Windows Update fails every time it tries to upgrade. I wasted a couple of days trying to troubleshoot the problem, reading their completely unhelpful logs, but gave up.

I sure wish we could just have Windows 10 back. My machine was so much faster.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by yfw »

GuB-42 wrote: post #84
ptero wrote: post #11

Microsoft lost its way much earlier than 4 years ago. It abused users at the time of Netscape wars and forcing Internet Explorer down people's throats. But they hit an infinite gold mine with government adoption and for the last 30 years no amount of bad engineering was able to shake off government use. Windows 11 is bad? Yes, but did you try Microsoft Teams? The only way to force Microsoft into "users matter" engine…

We could say that Microsoft never lost its way in that regard, it has always been predatory. Where it lost its way however is Microsoft actually cared about Windows, it was their flagship product after all. It was terrible in some aspects, but also excellent in some others. I particular, they took compatibility very seriously, which is far from an easy task in the wild PC ecosystem. They were also quite good in the U…

Its as steve jobs said, once you control market share theres no incentive to build a good product and you lose the ability to do it.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by throwa356262 »

pharrington wrote: post #117

Desktop and laptop sellers need to end their abusive business relationship with Microsoft, and start selling systems with a Linux distribution. They'll save costs while selling a better product. People who know they need Windows will always have the option to install it themselves.

I actually belive that is what triggered this.

There was a rumour 1-2 months ago about Lenovo and Asus meeting Microsoft execs and warning them that if win11 issues continued to cost them support hours and devicw returns they would be forced to find an alternative.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by iso1631 »

9dev wrote: post #52
iso1631 wrote: post #45

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We used to have anti trust regulators. We don't now.

We've got a lot of billionaires with a higher balance on their bank accounts though, so you can't say it was all for nothing

It's not the billionaires that depress me, it's the "temporarily embarrased billionaires", the wannabes who don't believe in the American Dream but idolise instead a winner takes all Ferengi style system.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by bell-cot »

tremon wrote: post #90
ptero wrote: post #11

Microsoft lost its way much earlier than 4 years ago. It abused users at the time of Netscape wars and forcing Internet Explorer down people's throats. But they hit an infinite gold mine with government adoption and for the last 30 years no amount of bad engineering was able to shake off government use. Windows 11 is bad? Yes, but did you try Microsoft Teams? The only way to force Microsoft into "users matter" engine…

It's a bit baffling to me that people are talking about Microsoft "losing their way" as if they ever operated differently. They have always been user-hostile if it increased next quarter's outlook. There's a clear continuing thread from the Halloween files in the 90s via antitrust probes in the 00s, the handling of Skype and Teams in the 10s, and now Copilot -- and that's ignoring all the mishandling on the business…

I'd read "Microsoft lost their way" as a description of how the speaker's worldview has changed, as they've gained experience and perspective.

Microsoft is often good to their customers. Generally in situations where badness has a poor RoI, or they're trying to lure you deeper into their clutches.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by anthonylevine »

voidUpdate wrote: post #131
anthonylevine wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a ridiculous electric screwdriver So React, the most popular front-end library and used my hundreds of thousands of successful apps, is the ridiculous electric screwdriver? See how weird that sounds and makes it obvious you guys can't give an honest assessment?

React is a javascript library. Javascript needs its own runtime. Why not just write stuff in native windows controls and save having to run an entire javascript runtime for no reason?

> Why not just write stuff in native windows controls and save having to run an entire JavaScript runtime for no reason?

Idk, and I'm not saying it's not a good question, but it's irrelevant to the comparison in OP's comment.

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