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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by dahcryn »

hu3 wrote: post #60
no_shadowban_3 wrote: post #2

These flowers smell like shit. If you don't use Linux or MacOS yet, why?

macOS sucks! you need a ton of third party tools and customizations to make it sane for basic things like window management. It's no better than Windows with regards of ammount of tweaking needed for power users. And it scans every executable and command run and sends a hash to motherbase. I don't know how people put up with this. There's probably some dangerous way to disable that like, let me guess, disabling SIP..…

you need a ton of third party tools to make it behave like Windows, that's what you mean.

I'm perfectly happy with my "vanilla" macbook. Runs Baldurs Gate 3 and my final fantasy ps2 emulator just fine, and even trackmania was quite easy to get installed and runs well.

Can't comment on that hash thing, but I don't see why that would be a problem? It's not linked to your name or something. Windows does a ton of things too that I find inexcusable, such as changing settings or permissions after updates, those have an actual impact on my daily experience with these things

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Draiken »

mexicocitinluez wrote: post #42
dude250711 wrote: post #21

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I think managers were promoted for infecting their features with Copilot, and developers for infecting them with React, and here we are. OneDrive managers on the other hand are one step away from inventing some way of adding a gacha mechanic.

Blaming React is absurd. Its like blaming the screwdriver instead of the person using it.

Nobody's blaming React. The blame lies on the bad developers that chose it to write a freaking start menu.

React is the symptom here, not the cause.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by greatgib »

I don't that their organisation even know how to do things well. It's not in their DNA to not fuckup their users.

But that being said, I have a good laugh at their announcement because you know they will spend money to try to make the thing nice, everything they can at their own cost, to be able to win the users back and lock them, and then they will start to fuck them up again once they feel confident enough.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

Draiken wrote: post #92
mexicocitinluez wrote: post #42

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Blaming React is absurd. Its like blaming the screwdriver instead of the person using it.

Nobody's blaming React. The blame lies on the bad developers that chose it to write a freaking start menu. React is the symptom here, not the cause.

What does "infecting them with React" mean?

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by 9dev »

dahcryn wrote: post #80
9dev wrote: post #37

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That was the reason we ditched Slack. I hate Teams with a passion, but we're not going to pay 6k per year for a chat app if we get Teams for free. There's just no way to defend that decision.

6k would be a no-brainer. In our office, we'd definitely need the enterprise version for compliance reasons, not because of the features. That's about 14/user/month. At a workforce of roughly 2500, that's a 4million+ yearly cost for something that is comparable to something you can get without that pricetag. It's no competition at all at that point. Think about it, would you be willing to ask your boss to pay 4 milli…

I feel like most Americans don't appreciate the financial constraints under which European startups are operating :) The median series A is something like 1–6 million Euros over here. You have to seriously consider what you spend money for on these scales.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by zabzonk »

> injected advertisements into the Windows 11 Start menu's "Recommended" section. These showed up labeled "Promoted" and pushed apps like Opera browser and some password manager nobody asked for. And the Start menu was just one surface, they also placed ads on the lock screen, in the Settings homepage hawking Game Pass subscriptions

sorry, I have never seen these supposed ads in win11. the lock screen does display icons for things like local events and weather, but i consider them useful at best, and innocuous at worst - it's not like i spend much time in the lock screen. i have never seen an ad in the start menu or settings.

am i specially blessed, or is there a bit of (wrong) groupthink going on here?

as for microsoft accounts, i find having one (i have 365 subscription) more useful than not. day to day it doesn't irritate me at all, because i never see it.

mostly, i find win11 pretty good - its fast, smooth and the UI is about as good as UIs get.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by someguyiguess »

yourusername wrote: post #26
jacooper wrote: post #6

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Macs are too expensive for the same performance/ram, and Linux still can't run proper creative software.

This used to be the case but looking at Macbooks now they are not much more expensive than a Windows laptop you would actually want to buy. And since they will still have some residual value 5 years from now i think it's about even.

My main computer is a 2020 m1 Mac. It handles everything I throw at it. I predict I’ll upgrade in maybe 4-5 years.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by prox »

jeppester wrote: post #51
Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

The only way this get better is if the user gets to choose between an OS with ads, lock-in, telemetry etc. and then one with none of that. As it is now, buying a laptop in a store is a "pick your poison" situation.

This.. give me the - option - to not be an ad infested hellhole of an OS and sell me a product.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by ekianjo »

Draiken wrote: post #85
baq wrote: post #22

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> It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. this is in general how the market for pretty much everything works (sometimes 'users' are replaced by 'the regulator', but it doesn't matter too much). lesson in there is 'majority of users don't care nearly as much as you think', usually.

I don't think "care" is the right word here at all. We simply don't have options. This is capitalism's biggest flaw: it's based on the assumption that there will be competition, but competition eventually leads to winners that then consolidate their positions and we end up with no real choices. You're telling me people would pick a worse OS because they don't care even if they had real options? I don't believe that f…

> This is capitalism's biggest flaw: it's based on the assumption that there will be competition

The fact that governments allow Microsoft to abuse its position to force OEMs to install Windows is the biggest problem. This would never happen in a market where regulation ensures healthy competition.

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