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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

troupo wrote: post #33
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way?

- They are rapidly iOS-ifying the desktop experience - All core services and apps experience significant performance degradation (to thenpoint that Spotlight regularly fails to find installed apps) which are currently only offset by the insane performance of the M* series chips - Services become more and more pervasive, with ads throughout the system

I don't know what that first one means. You mean the glass design?

Yeah, spotlight has been rough for years, I grant you that.

I haven't seen a single ad in my system. Where do you see them?

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

dude250711 wrote: post #21
Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

I think managers were promoted for infecting their features with Copilot, and developers for infecting them with React, and here we are. OneDrive managers on the other hand are one step away from inventing some way of adding a gacha mechanic.

Blaming React is absurd. Its like blaming the screwdriver instead of the person using it.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by no_shadowban_3 »

conceptme wrote: post #10
no_shadowban_3 wrote: post #2

These flowers smell like shit. If you don't use Linux or MacOS yet, why?

Games

Do you play fortnite? Steam's linux support is really good but I kept a Windows install for a couple of years so I could keep playing fortnite.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by chii »

mschild wrote: post #19
Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

The other thing is availability of alternatives. Most standard users simply dont have an option. Mac Neo brought Apple into a lower price range, but requires a new device. Linux is there (and frankly fantastic at this point) but good luck getting the average person through the setup process.

> good luck getting the average person through the setup process.

an enterprising hardware manufacturer can take on the mantle, and be the trail blazer with a no-setup machine that works.

Personally, i would imagine something like framework laptop, and steam machine, are the best candidates.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by iso1631 »

9dev wrote: post #37
mschild wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find Teams is often simply picked because of cost reasons. A lot of companies are paying for office and teams comes bundled with it. Why pay extra when its included?

That was the reason we ditched Slack. I hate Teams with a passion, but we're not going to pay 6k per year for a chat app if we get Teams for free. There's just no way to defend that decision.

We used to have anti trust regulators. We don't now.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by throwa356262 »

ptero wrote: post #11

Microsoft lost its way much earlier than 4 years ago. It abused users at the time of Netscape wars and forcing Internet Explorer down people's throats. But they hit an infinite gold mine with government adoption and for the last 30 years no amount of bad engineering was able to shake off government use. Windows 11 is bad? Yes, but did you try Microsoft Teams? The only way to force Microsoft into "users matter" engine…

Am I the only one who prefers Teams to the Slack and Zoom?

The ability to write in the meeting chat before and after a meeting for example. That is some serious quality of life function that all others are lacking.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by 9dev »

troupo wrote: post #33
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way?

- They are rapidly iOS-ifying the desktop experience - All core services and apps experience significant performance degradation (to thenpoint that Spotlight regularly fails to find installed apps) which are currently only offset by the insane performance of the M* series chips - Services become more and more pervasive, with ads throughout the system

> offset by the insane performance of the M* series chips

I'm really afraid of that one. MacOS engineers don't have to worry about performance optimizations anymore, because the chips gobble it up anyway. Ever more powerful hardware is how we ended up with the awful performance of modern-day computing.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by 9dev »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #41
troupo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- They are rapidly iOS-ifying the desktop experience - All core services and apps experience significant performance degradation (to thenpoint that Spotlight regularly fails to find installed apps) which are currently only offset by the insane performance of the M* series chips - Services become more and more pervasive, with ads throughout the system

I don't know what that first one means. You mean the glass design? Yeah, spotlight has been rough for years, I grant you that. I haven't seen a single ad in my system. Where do you see them?

You're probably an iCloud services user. Try a Mac without an iCloud account - it's nagging you pretty heavily to set it up, get an iCloud+ subscription, use TV and Music and Game Center subscriptions, and so on.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by hnthrow0287345 »

9dev wrote: post #37
mschild wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find Teams is often simply picked because of cost reasons. A lot of companies are paying for office and teams comes bundled with it. Why pay extra when its included?

That was the reason we ditched Slack. I hate Teams with a passion, but we're not going to pay 6k per year for a chat app if we get Teams for free. There's just no way to defend that decision.

You can easily defend that for only 6k with 'but we like it and we'll be more productive with it and we won't hate our jobs'
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