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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by inferniac »

s_dev wrote: post #135
_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII whi…

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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

generic92034 wrote: post #243
_osud wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is simply not correct. Very few "cops" in the US can go to any kind of secret courts. Also, what you're describing is still infinitely better than the European system! The cops get to issue the warrants themselves.

With any number of intelligence services in the USA I would not really be calmed by the prospect that an ordinary cop cannot do that. What you are claiming about European cops is also not uniformly true. A German police officer cannot "just" self-issue a search warrant.

>What you are claiming about European cops is also not uniformly true. A German police officer cannot "just" self-issue a search warrant.

Yes. The more worrying situation is that Hungary can just decide that their police officers can self-issue search warrants, and then send those around the EU in the form of EIOs.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by argomo »

butILoveLife wrote: post #272
darthcloud wrote: post #213

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

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Note that populist demagogue started a trade war and threatened allies with invasion. That tends to put a damper on friendship. And that's before the idiotic blunder with Hormuz.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

surgical_fire wrote: post #256
_osud wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you think some policeman in a rural Frech village is a bigger threat to your freedom than NSA or other 3-letter agencies from the USA, we can all see who is mistaken in evaluating threats. Just like the random mugger on the streets of Paris is a far bigger threat to my life and limb than the US with their drones. You're talking from an ideological perspective, I'm looking at this from a rather more practical angl…

> You're talking from an ideological perspective Given your participation in this whole discussion, that was pretty cute. There nothing else here even worth addressing. This conversation is a waste of time, for both of us. Have a wonderful rest of your day.

Having been personally touched by this, I see this as an entirely practical and not ideological issue.

It's harder for me to worry about the NSA than people who have already negatively impacted me in the past.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by microtonal »

dwedge wrote: post #251

> For various reasons Because it's trending. Likely the same reason they ended up outside the EU in the first place. I find this to be a non article. They moved from Google to Google and Apple, installed Graphene but installed the play store for a "significant number of apps", and didn't even consider self hosting email or git. I've probably seen a dozen of these articles now, not to mention posts on LinkedIn, and it…

/r/BuyFromEU is a continuous enumeration of individuals posting from what US services to EU services they moved. I agree that these posts get uninteresting once you have seen a few. I would be more interested in I have used European service X for 6 months, these are the up/downsides I found, since they actually help people picking alternatives.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by looperhacks »

hbbio wrote: post #52

Still not accepting Codeberg moral stance. Yes, gitea (and originally gogs) are released under permissive licenses, so it's legally allowed to fork them. But forking complete working projects with years of work, rebranding with a "good guys" attitude, and progressively erasing the name/history (mentioning a gitea fork has moved down the faq now) is not fair. Edit: even worse, the word "fork" is not in the FAQ. It is…

This is already a crazy take on its own, why would a fork have to describe their relation to the parent project front and center? Both the Readme and the comparison page link to the origin blog post [1] that describes the lineage clearly.

But even if there were some "ethical reason" to do this, I don't think Gitea is the right project to play up as a victim. Their homepage [2] doesn't mention that Gitea itself is a fork either. Their Readme does, but is this so much better?

[1]: https://forgejo.org/2022-12-15-hello-forgejo/ [2]: https://about.gitea.com/

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by PurpleRamen »

dragochat wrote: post #86

how about the OPPOSITE problem: _anyone knows of any non-EU AND non-US email providers_? with email accounts as the roots of trust for many things, i'd really wanna know how can I get a trustworthy one not-attached to eithern an unstable system (US), or a very overregulating one like the EU juristictions... and ofc, non-CN too

> how about the OPPOSITE problem: _anyone knows of any non-EU AND non-US email providers_?

Yes, your own server at home. All countries have fundamentally the same problems, so you will have everywhere the same tradeoffs as a customer. So it really depends on what your specific circumstances and requirements are. If laws are your problem, then stay away from countries where you break them; otherwise, just don't go where they will sell your data for any random penny.

> or a very overregulating one like the EU juristictions...

WTF is this kind of demand? Those regulations do not concern you as a user, but can be very beneficial for you, don't you understand this?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by gusgus01 »

rglullis wrote: post #247
wongarsu wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I need to host my emails somewhere. This means that you can't reject the EU in isolation, you have to compare it to the alternatives. And the most prevalent alternative is the US Now of course if somebody has a better alternative that's neither in the EU nor US (nor Russia, or China) that'd be interesting to hear about

Switzerland, maybe? I've been a happy migadu.com customer for years already.

Funny enough, they mention moving to ProtonMail which is at least based out of Switzerland. It makes this whole chain a bit funny, but I don't blame the commenter for not breaking down every service the OP talked about and the OP did shorthand it to "Migrating to the EU", so fair enough.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by thejohnconway »

wolvoleo wrote: post #252
darthcloud wrote: post #213

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

Yeah I was thinking of getting infomaniak for my mail. I don't really care for the encryption thing of proton (all email comes in in plain text anyway!) and I want to just be able to do plain imap without bridges. But their stuff just feels a bit weird somehow. I didn't really want to commit yet. I'm glad to hear you had good experiences.

I'm using it Infomaniak, including their KDrive as a Dropbox replacement (with 2TB of data). I've even used their video conferencing app. No complaints so far. All seems to work just fine.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by accrual »

inferniac wrote: post #291
s_dev wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII whi…

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Is the commenter the "delusionally stupid" one or did you mean something else?
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