If you login, log out they don't prompt you with the security warning on Android TV.
Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps
561–570 of 1001 posts
Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps
#562Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being able to decide yourself the software that is allowed to run on the hardware you own.
But you have that ability. There's a one-off 24 hour wait. You have a similar wait if you get it shipped to you from Amazon. Is the instant gratification essential ?
Whether it's essential or not is up to the user, who should be able to load whatever operating system they want (enabling them to bypass the restriction) on their bootloader-unlockable device.
Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps
#563This is going to hurt legitimate sideloading way more than actually necessary to reduce scams: - Must enable developer mode -- some apps (e.g., banking apps) will refuse to operate and such when developer mode is on, and so if you depend on such apps, I guess you just can't sideload? - One-day (day!!!) waiting period to activate (one-time) -- the vast majority of people who need to sideload something will probably no…
>- Must enable developer mode -- some apps (e.g., banking apps) will refuse to operate and such when developer mode is on, and so if you depend on such apps, I guess you just can't sideload? Hi, I'm the community engagement manager @ Android. It's my understanding that you don't have to keep developer options enabled after you enable the advanced flow. Once you make the change on your device, it's enabled. If you tur…
Every single one of these steps are blatantly an attack on user freedom. The steps to unlocking the bootloader and install a different rom are not nearly as onerous. The only thing I will accept as reasonable, is a complete abandonment of this policy. Google has destroyed all trust I could have in it, and these weaselly worded concessions are based on a bullshit premise.
Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps
#564Earlier quoted context omitted.
So... we're just going to move the scam into convincing the end user to run an application on their PC to ADB sideload the Scam App. Got it, simple enough. It's not hard to coach a user into clicking the "no, I'm not being coached" button, too, to guide them towards the ADB enable flow.
I think this is a "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good thing". It's technically possible to get around, but adding more speed bumps in the way of scammers tends to drastically reduce the number of people who get scammed.
What good?
Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps
#565I've been slowly degoogling because of how Google is treating Android. It's slow, but I've been setting up emails on other providers, stopped using Google search, stopped uploading photos etc.
Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps
#566Earlier quoted context omitted.
(some) people are starting to understand why cash is so important. It's the neutrality that it provides. The fact that it can't be programmatically limited or censored and you can't be excluded from the economy. Cash is inclusive. Obviously cash becomes much harder to "use" online and in apps...
Activists and human rights lawyers are constantly getting their bank accounts closed or denied, even UN human rights council members, members of the ICC, journalists, pro-palestine activists or people in the BDS movement, it happens ALL the time now in europe, people have no idea how bad that has become, nobody in mass media is ever reporting on it.
I got personally de-banked from one bank and I'm nobody. I had other options, so it was only a minor issue, but I can't imagine what it's like for people when they run out of alternatives.
Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps
#567[deleted]
Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps
#568A lot of people here are looking for compromises. Any compromise on this means giving ground to Google's monopoly and the war on open computing and ultimately freedom. This is exactly what Google intended. This is why they started off by announcing completely removing device owner chosen installs (this is not side loading! It's simply installing.) and announced only apps allowed by Google would be available for insta…
Fortunately older versions of Android, especially rooted ones, won't be affected.
are you sure about that? this is being pushed as an update to play services, not android.
Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps
#569How exactly is this going to stop scammers from simply modifying their scam runbook to say "Turn this thing on, and get back to me in 24 hours.", and then continue on from the next step?
We know from Nigerian email scams that these things can stretch out days, weeks, months, all to get the victim to do the thing.
Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps
#570Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People who are unwilling to figure out the risks just should not use smartphones and the internet. Sounds great in theory, but just today I was reminded how impossible this is when walking back from lunch, I noticed all the parking meters covered with a hood, labelled with instructions on how to pay with the app. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/city-of-regina-r...
What do you mean by impossible in this case? Can't you just have the coin-operated parking meters back? Where I live, in EU, parking meters even take cards. EDIT: I guess "just" is doing some heavy-lifting, so I won't argue this further, but "impossible" isn't the word I would use either. The city could revert this decision, definitely if enough people wanted them to (that's... I know, the hardest part). I just agree…
Where I live, in the EU, we just have signs and the parking meters have been gone for several years