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Iran war energy shock sparks global push to reduce fossil fuel dependence

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Post by aaAaaAai »

Sabinus wrote: post #366
zardo wrote: post #362

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How are you supposed to know which Democrat secretly supports trans rights?

Dems are supposed to be able to talk frankly about their beliefs without the left wing of the party destroying them. There shouldn't be political consequences from within the Dem coalition for saying "I don't think we should have trans people in professional women's sports". Since the Dems can't talk about the policies, the right wing gets to take up all the attention on them.

Some Democrats do. Kara Dansky of Women's Declaration International, for instance.

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Post by guyomes »

esperent wrote: post #266
davedx wrote: post #109

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I've been arguing with Europeans on twitter (including an environmental scientist) who believe this war shows we need to resume drilling in the North Sea and Groningen. It feels like this collective insanity will never end

I wish there was somewhere I could talk about world affairs and European affairs with reasonable people, the way I can talk about tech on HN. But anywhere I've tried - Twitter, r/europe or any smaller subs I've found are just filled with reactionaries trying to stir up hate for whatever reasons they have. There are reasonable voices there, people who are capable of actual conversation, but they're just drowned out. I…

In this regard, the subreddit r/NeutralPolitics is interesting: it aims at evidence-based discussions on political issues. Threads are somehow in-between HN and Wikipedia. It is definitely interesting to read, and at the same time, participating in a discussion is quite daunting.

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Post by roncesvalles »

cpursley wrote: post #56
lm28469 wrote: post #33

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They also spent decades sending money to the US to buy influence and protection, which instantly vaporized the second a missile was launched their way.

The big story I think is how handily they took out billions of dollars of US radars and that these air defense systems are not up to the task (we actually already knew this from Ukraine, but media worked overtime to ignore this fact). In a way, all this supposedly "superior" US and Israeli tech (at least on the defense side, offense is a different story) has been exposed. I do think focused engineering efforts could…

This is completely contrary to reality. Iran is a missile and rocketry superpower. They've launched a lot of stuff, some of which got through.

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Post by bdangubic »

blitzar wrote: post #224
bdangubic wrote: post #190

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if my country has 0 dependence on fossils, how many fucks would I have given for whatever is happening or will be happening in the future in shithole places like the middle east?

Won't someone think of the children, how are their schools going to get bombed if we dont do it?

we don’t care about all children, just selective children, yes?

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Post by slashdev »

nandomrumber wrote: post #337
myrmidon wrote: post #288

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> You’re willing to sacrifice the lives of at least some poor people who exist now, or are likely to exist in the near future, for a theory that is unfalsifiable. What exactly do you mean with "unfalsifiable"? We actually measure atmospheric CO2, sea level and temperature; that's plenty falsifiability to me. And the greenhouse effect itself is not even in question. Fossil emissions are sacrificing people not just fro…

Climate science wants us to ignore the geological record and ignore geological processes. A cubic kilometre of lava at 1200 degrees C is enough energy for thirty (30!) hurricanes. It’s entirely possible that sea temperature rise is a result of geologic processes at or near the sea bed, and when you warm a liquid dissolved gasses are liberated. But climate science wants us to ignore all that and place the blame entire…

> It’s entirely possible that sea temperature rise is a result of geologic processes at or near the sea bed, and when you warm a liquid dissolved gasses are liberated.

You're mistaking possible for probable. There's no evidence to suggest that's the case, and lot's of evidence that it's from climate change. In science you follow the evidence, not your pet theory.

> But climate science wants us to ignore all that and place the blame entirely on human caused CO2 emissions and cow farts, while we are literally living through and ice age.

I don't think you understand either science or ice ages.

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Post by maratc »

ViewTrick1002 wrote: post #368
mrguyorama wrote: post #354

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The lay public is almost certainly unaware that perfect, nation scale ICBM defense is fucking impossible. At least in the US. People in Israel are probably more accustomed to what a "High but not perfect" interception rate means. But people in the US are just really dumb about things. They probably think it just needs "Enough money" or "A breakthrough" as if that's just a magic spell you can cast to get around physic…

And now Iran is deploying ballistic missiles with cluster munitions separating in flight. Good luck countering that, especially if they steer to be able to steer them.

Cluster munitions that have between 1 and 10 kg of explosives are great against the infantry in the open field, not so much against population with proper level of shelters and an advanced warning to get there.

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Post by cpursley »

roncesvalles wrote: post #373
cpursley wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big story I think is how handily they took out billions of dollars of US radars and that these air defense systems are not up to the task (we actually already knew this from Ukraine, but media worked overtime to ignore this fact). In a way, all this supposedly "superior" US and Israeli tech (at least on the defense side, offense is a different story) has been exposed. I do think focused engineering efforts could…

This is completely contrary to reality. Iran is a missile and rocketry superpower. They've launched a lot of stuff, some of which got through.

There’s a number of videos of US and Israeli air defense quite literally failing at intercepts. You can see the entire trajectories and stuff. Some from US bases, other in Israel but they are trying to censor them.

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Post by no-name-here »

guyomes wrote: post #372
esperent wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish there was somewhere I could talk about world affairs and European affairs with reasonable people, the way I can talk about tech on HN. But anywhere I've tried - Twitter, r/europe or any smaller subs I've found are just filled with reactionaries trying to stir up hate for whatever reasons they have. There are reasonable voices there, people who are capable of actual conversation, but they're just drowned out. I…

In this regard, the subreddit r/NeutralPolitics is interesting: it aims at evidence-based discussions on political issues. Threads are somehow in-between HN and Wikipedia. It is definitely interesting to read, and at the same time, participating in a discussion is quite daunting.

I agree with the recommendation.

Link: https://reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics

And its sister sub NeutralNews for news article discussion (same rules): https://reddit.com/r/NeutralNews

Both subs allow users to submit new posts and comments (but spend 2 minutes checking out the rules first).

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Post by no-name-here »

nandomrumber wrote: post #264
Scarblac wrote: post #209

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Because the continued survival of civilization depends on leaving fossil fuel in the ground. If the transition isn't fast enough then we will have horrible, lethal shortages, but that's still better than the worst climate scenarios.

You’re willing to sacrifice the lives of at least some poor people who exist now, or are likely to exist in the near future, for a theory that is unfalsifiable. That’s not since. That’s brainwashing, and it’s not even good brainwashing.

“Fossil fuel air pollution responsible for 1 in 5 deaths worldwide”: https://hsph.harvard.edu/climate-health-c-change/news/fossil...

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Post by dzhiurgis »

davedx wrote: post #109
ryukafalz wrote: post #44

As someone who's been pushing for renewables for quite a while now it's dismaying that it's taken a war to accelerate this push, but I'm glad to see that it's happening at least. It's doubly dismaying that my own country (US) is still doubling down on fossil fuels despite everything. The concern about a new dependency on China is real, but renewables do have the advantage that once you have the infrastructure in plac…

I've been arguing with Europeans on twitter (including an environmental scientist) who believe this war shows we need to resume drilling in the North Sea and Groningen. It feels like this collective insanity will never end

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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