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Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Not who I would've liked to acquire Astral. As long as OpenAI doesn't force bad decisions on to Astral too hard, I'm very happy for the Astral team. They've been making some of the best Python tooling that has made the ecosystem so much better IME.

The priorities of the tooling will change to help agents instead of human users directly. That's all that's happening.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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> If you don't want your lunch eaten by a private equity firm, make sure whatever tool you use is GPL licensed. 1. For the record: the GPL is entirely dependent on copyright. 2. If AI "clean-room" re-implementations are allow to bypass copyright/licenses, the GPL won't protect you.

Maybe I'm reading wrong here, but what's the implication of the clean room re-implementations? Someone else is cloning with a changed license, but if I'm still on the GPL licensed tool, how am I "not protected"?

There's basically no different between GPL and BSD in that case.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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post #224

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It's not any different from the launch of the FSF. There's a simple solution. If you don't want your lunch eaten by a private equity firm, make sure whatever tool you use is GPL licensed.

The biggest scam the mega-clouds and the Githubs ever pulled was convincing open source developers that the GPL was somehow out of vogue and BSD/MIT/Apache was better. All so they could just vacuum it all up and resell it with impunity.

I don't remember GitHub or Amazon advocating MIT over GPL.

Feel free to prove me wrong by pointing out this massive amount of advocacy from "mega-clouds" that changed people's minds.

The ads, the mailing list posts, social media comments. Anything at all you can trace to "mega-clouds" execs.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not any different from the launch of the FSF. There's a simple solution. If you don't want your lunch eaten by a private equity firm, make sure whatever tool you use is GPL licensed.

The biggest scam the mega-clouds and the Githubs ever pulled was convincing open source developers that the GPL was somehow out of vogue and BSD/MIT/Apache was better. All so they could just vacuum it all up and resell it with impunity.

Huh? When you deploy something in the cloud, you don't have to share your GPL'ed stuff either. Google doesn't.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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post #225
post #170

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They raised 4M USD, they have 26 full-time employees (they pay 120 200K / yr, cf https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/523411-93 ). It means the company almost reached their runway, so all these employees would have to find a job. It's a very very good product, but it is open-source and Apache / MIT, so difficult to defend from anyone just clicking on fork. Especially a large company like OpenAI who has massive dist…

A brief note, your numbers are way off here — Astral subsequently raised a Series A and B (as mentioned in the blog post) but did not announce them. We were doing great financially. (I work at Astral)

It seems you are one of the most active contributors there.

I would sincerely have understood better (and even wished) if OpenAI made you a very generous offer to you personally as an individual contributor than choose a strategy where the main winners are the VCs of the purchased company.

Here, outside, we perceive zero to almost no revenues (no pricing ? no contact us ? maybe some consulting ?) and millions burned.

Whether it is 4 or 8 or 15M burned, no idea.

Who's going to fill that hole, and when ? (especially since PE funds have 5 years timeline, and company is from 2021).

The end product is nice, but as an investor, being nice is not enough, so they must have deeper motives.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest scam the mega-clouds and the Githubs ever pulled was convincing open source developers that the GPL was somehow out of vogue and BSD/MIT/Apache was better. All so they could just vacuum it all up and resell it with impunity.

I remember a somewhat prominent dev in the DC area putting on Twitter around 2012 or so something like "I do plenty of open source coding and I don't put a fucking license on it" and it stuck with me for all these years that it was a weird stance to take.

John Carmack said that about a week ago.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

#258
post #95

Not who I would've liked to acquire Astral. As long as OpenAI doesn't force bad decisions on to Astral too hard, I'm very happy for the Astral team. They've been making some of the best Python tooling that has made the ecosystem so much better IME.

If Codex’s core quality is anything to go by, it’s time to create a community fork of UV

Maybe they are being acquired to improve the quality of Codex.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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post #125

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If LLMs turn out to be such a force multiplier, the way to fight it is to ensure that there are open source LLMs.

I think the issue is that LLMs are a cash problem as much as they are a technical problem. Consumer hardware architectures are still pretty unfriendly to running models which are actually competitive to useful models so if you want to even do inference on a model that's going to reliably give you decent results you're basically in enterprise territory. Unless you want to do it really slowly. The issue that I see is t…

You got me thinking that what's going to happen is some GPU maker is going to offer a subsidized GPU (or RAM stick, or ...whatever) if the GPU can do calculations while your computer is idle, not unlike Folding@home. This way, the company can use the distributed fleet of customer computers to do large computations, while the customer gets a reasonably priced GPU again.
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