Possibly the worst possible news for the Python ecosystem. Absolutely devastating. Congrats to the team
On the other hand, we get to see what other thing will try to replace pip
Astral to Join OpenAI
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Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
mindshare and a central piece of the python package management ecosystem.
Most popular product on the planet acquires a random python packaging org for mindshare? What am I not seeing here?
I think this is more about `ruff` than `uv`. Linting is all about parsing the code into something machines can analyze, which to me feels like something that could potentially be useful for AI in a similar way to JetBrains writing their own language parsers to make "find and replace" work sanely and what not.
I'm sort of wondering if they're going to try to make a coding LLM that operates on an AST rather than text, and need software/expertise to manage the text->AST->text pipeline in a way that preserves the structure of your files/text.
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#173A concern: More and more plainly, OpenAI and Anthropic are making plays to own (and lease) the "means of production" in software. OK - I'm a pretty happy renter right now. As they gobble up previously open software stacks, how viable is it that these stacks remain open? It seems perfectly sensible to me that these providers and their users alike have an interest in further centralizing the dev lifecycle - eg, if Clau…
Honestly, for now they seem to be buying companies built around Open Source projects which otherwise didn't really have a good story to pay for their development long-term anyway. And it seems like the primary reason is just expertise and tooling for building their CLI tools. As long as they keep the original projects maintained and those aren't just acqui-hires, I think this is almost as good as we can hope for. (th…
And how likely is that?
Once you’re acquired you have to do what the boss says. That means prioritizing your work to benefit the company. That is often not compatible with true open source.
How frequently do acquired projects seriously maintain their independence? That is rare. They may have more resources but they also have obligations.
And this doesn’t even touch on the whole commodification and box out strategy that so many tech giants have employed.
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#174Wtf!? Is this an early April's fools? I've been recommending astral tools left and right, Looks like I'm out a good chunk of social capital on that.
Who's organizing a fork, or is python back to having only shitty packaging available? :(
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#175A concern: More and more plainly, OpenAI and Anthropic are making plays to own (and lease) the "means of production" in software. OK - I'm a pretty happy renter right now. As they gobble up previously open software stacks, how viable is it that these stacks remain open? It seems perfectly sensible to me that these providers and their users alike have an interest in further centralizing the dev lifecycle - eg, if Clau…
It's not any different from the launch of the FSF. There's a simple solution. If you don't want your lunch eaten by a private equity firm, make sure whatever tool you use is GPL licensed.
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it ever goes bad, well I hope that that’s an impetus for new open source projects to be started — and with improvements over and lessons learned from incumbent technologies, right at the v1 of said projects.
If LLMs turn out to be such a force multiplier, the way to fight it is to ensure that there are open source LLMs.
That would be accepting the framing of your class enemy, there is no reason to do that.
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#177Possibly the worst possible news for the Python ecosystem. Absolutely devastating. Congrats to the team
I hope they got paid, I will be very sad if they didn't at least get G5 money.
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#178If I were to engage in Python development, what's the alternative to uv?
Poetry was the best alt-package manager before uv came along. That said - uv completely outclassed it.
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#179Not often that I audibly groan at a HN headline :-(
Same here. I’ve adopted uv across all of my Python projects and couldn’t be happier. ty looks very promising as well. Probably inevitable, and I don’t blame the team, I just wish it were someone else.
Ty, Ruff, UV, all great tools I recently started really using and I couldn't be happier with them.
Sigh
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#180What happens when OpenAI’s burn dries up their cash?
Taxpayers bail them out.