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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland
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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland
#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nuremberg style judicial proceedings. Not necessarily with similar judicial executions. Fair trials and fair and exemplary punitive measures would be enough for me. I lost respect when Obama let Bush Jr administration off the hook. It essentially set the tone that it is ok to behave like that, that there would be no consequences.
We need a Nuremberg trial for the genocide in Gaza, the ethnic cleansing in Lebanon, the ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, and the illegal attacks on 7 countries in the Middle East. We need to prosecute both the Biden and Trump administration, the Israeli leadership, and the leadership of most European countries. Never again is never again.
If so, then also do the leadership of Hamas, Putin, etc. The US is not uniquely evil.
Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland
#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The war isn't illegal. You're going to have to specify a framework if you want to make statements about legality.
US law, which is the only relevant law to discuss the actions of the president of the US.
The US constitution specifically calls out treaties signed by the US (such as the UN Charta) as supreme law of the land. Article VI, the "Supremacy Clause".
Thus, US law, too, defers to international law.
Please at least read the legal framework you're so confidently misdescribing.
Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland
#424Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a difference, basically the entire world hates the Iranian regime and wants them gone, USA bombing the Iranian regime wont get that much pushback from the world even if the war was started in an underhanded way. It is entirely different if USA starts attacking NATO allies such as Denmark which isn't a threat or problem to anyone, that is not something anybody would expect and it would ruin American diplomacy…
Does US care about diplomacy anymore ?
Yeah, otherwise why would Trump only attack hated countries? He would have already started bombing Canada since its the closest.
Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland
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I mean I definitely agree that a lot of trust has been lost, and that a lot of work will be needed to patch things up. Where I don't agree is that 1) this is somehow irreversible 2) that it really affects American citizens on the personal level – from personal experience, as an American living in Europe for the last decade, I've had basically zero negative interactions with people or hostile accusations. Most people…
We're talking decades just to undo the last 10 years. And it is still getting worse.
Unlikely, I think, because geopolitics has other players, and forgiving the US is still a better option for the EU than the other choices available.
Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland
#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
The war isn't illegal. The president has that power. I don't like it either, but since the Korean War this is simply a statement of fact.
The war is certainly illegal. Our systems are just so atrophied at this point that we treat congressional approval as a formality. This is a choice we make over and over again that we need to stop making.
Not even a formality. A formality means that he would get it from Congress, without Congress judging the war on merit. We don't even have that.
Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland
#427Where was this kind of movement when Russia invaded Europe in 2022? I think Europe's inaction in 2022 will go down as the greatest moral failing of the century. You can't say "they didn't act because Russia is a nuclear power" - the same is true here.
I think most people in Europe figured the US would oppose Russia invading as that's mostly what has happened for decades. In the Denmark case I don't know if they can count on the US opposing the US invading.
It wasn't until that thing with Trump and Vance shouting at Zelensky in the oval office that Europe figured the US had kind of flipped and it was on us to support Ukraine.
Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland
#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who's discussing what exactly? Give sources, everyone publicly said it's not on the table. Your own link doesn't mention any of this. France/UK/Spain/Italy/Germany/Greece all very clearly stated they won't send jack shit to Hormuz while the war is active, they're the biggest navies in Europe, so who's left?
> France/UK/Spain/Italy/Germany/Greece all very clearly stated they won't send jack shit to Hormuz while the war is active Then what is this statement from the UK government where they say many of the worlds biggest powers are ready to support it? Countries say a lot of things publicly to change it the next day. To me it looks like them helping protecting it is still on the table. "We express our readiness to contrib…
> Then what is this statement from the UK government where they say many of the worlds biggest powers are ready to support it?
Pure copium as usual, like Trump's "many great nations already accepted to send ships", where are they? Who are these nations? Which ships? it's posturing at its finest.
"we may be ready to maybe consider some plans about potentially helping nations who might want to hypothetically commit ships to restore the safe passage through the Strait"
They won't send jack shit until the US are out of the region and the war is so cold you can't call it a war anymore, and they're right.
Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland
#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah the US we knew is gone. I think about this sometimes when I am listening to American music from the 20th century, how much soft power they had, how great they made America sound either directly or indirectly. That America that we all looked up to and admired is gone. Pity.
> how much soft power they had, Soft power? Have you been sleeping during the 20th century? The formidable military power of the US comes from a constant state of war.
I wouldn't be that cynical. From the interactions I've had with people from mainland China, particularly those in the educated classes, I can say for certain that it was soft power that drew them towards the West and the US in particular. China already beat back the West in the Korean War.
Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland
#430Earlier quoted context omitted.
The war is certainly illegal. Our systems are just so atrophied at this point that we treat congressional approval as a formality. This is a choice we make over and over again that we need to stop making.
Not even a formality. A formality means that he would get it from Congress, without Congress judging the war on merit. We don't even have that.
Speaking not just of this administration/war but also of past ones