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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by jacquesm »

ericmay wrote: post #325
Jensson wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has more arctic warfare equipment than USA does, USA doesn't do much arctic warfare so the war would likely be much more expensive for USA than EU. Most regular equipment doesn't work in -40C temperatures, to take Greenland USA would need to develop more arctic enabled weaponry just for that.

How will the EU get this arctic warfare equipment to Greenland? If the EU is so ready and willing to use this equipment, maybe they should deploy it to Ukraine instead. The US literally has bases in Alaska and Greenland and deals with these temperatures regularly.

The EU doesn't have to fire a single bullet to get the US out of Greenland again. You are thinking in a very limited way.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by davidguetta »

vrganj wrote: post #143

> As a source puts it, the French said: "Would you like more soldiers? You could have them. Would you like more naval support? You could have that. Would you like more air support? You could have that too." Thank God for the French. I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along. Europe can't trust any outside powers. Any external depen…

> I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along.

Silly ? it originally comes from the american trying to impose a governement to france / print money and administrate it right after WW2. The ONLY reasons this didn't happen is because De Gaulle marched to paris and became the de facto ruler of the nation after that from his popularity, other wise the american plan would have happened.

US has literally had the SAME policy since maybe as early as the 1800 : expand the empire and get as much as influence as possible. They were never exactly friends or at least "kind" friends.

If anything the subsequent presidents who meshed our defense / intelligence / technical appartus so deeply with the US were complete fools, at best.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by maybewhenthesun »

mattmaroon wrote: post #254
lynndotpy wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. When considering a post-USA world, we also get to consider a post-Microsoft, post-Meta, post-Google, post-CloudFlare, post-Amazon, etc world. I can't say I know much about how the EU operates or how quickly their Open Digital Ecosystems initiative could take shape, but this is a really opportune time to build a better tech in…

I feel like it's ruining HN. The internet did not lack places to talk politics. The comments threads are a solid 20% anti-semitic dog whistles now.

Maybe it's because stuff gets flagged and deleted. But I haven't really seen it? Unless you equalize 'critical of Israel' with 'antisemitic dogwhistle' maybe.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by ericmay »

jacquesm wrote: post #338
ericmay wrote: post #322

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I guess it's global supply chains when it's convenient for your argument, but not when it's inconvenient? Does Denmark build all the Ikea furniture? Who do you think designs the MacBook, chipsets, and more? Who designs and builds the semiconductors for your Lenovo laptop?

> Does Denmark build all the Ikea furniture? That would be so funny if it wasn't clear that you are serious. > Who do you think designs the MacBook, chipsets, and more? Who designs and builds the semiconductors for your Lenovo laptop? Why don't you tell us?

> That would be so funny if it wasn't clear that you are serious.

Sure ok - tell me what I'm missing.

> Why don't you tell us?

Are you unaware that Apple designs the MacBook and A/M series chips?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by krona »

thesquandered wrote: post #306
krona wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno, start by reading the national security strategy and count the number of times it mentions the words "Arctic" or "Greenland"? (hint: it's zero). Then maybe look at the Nato chain of command and who was interviewed and what was said in mid-Jan?

Please lessen the snark and dictate what you're saying here. Sources to published docs would be even more preferable.

I'm not going to serialize the past 60 years of US foreign policy in to a pithy post on a meaningless internet forum. For free.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by vrganj »

davidguetta wrote: post #342
vrganj wrote: post #143

> As a source puts it, the French said: "Would you like more soldiers? You could have them. Would you like more naval support? You could have that. Would you like more air support? You could have that too." Thank God for the French. I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along. Europe can't trust any outside powers. Any external depen…

> I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along. Silly ? it originally comes from the american trying to impose a governement to france / print money and administrate it right after WW2. The ONLY reasons this didn't happen is because De Gaulle marched to paris and became the de facto ruler of the nation after that from his popularity,…

I'm not sure you understood my point. I used to think it was silly, but now I agree with your view.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by rntksi »

iso1631 wrote: post #273
nickdothutton wrote: post #233

I think there is a pretty good chance US is in the late empire phase. This is not about a single President or party, or even single geopolitical event/development.

> This is not about a single President or party I've seen roughly two types of American commentators over the last year. The ones that cheer this stuff going on, which HN has plenty of, and the ones that think "come the midterms/2028/impeachment everything will go back to normal" The latter are massively mistaken, it would take decades for the US to rebuild its standing in the eyes of the world, and there is no evide…

I think Naval is right when he was making the observation that history has alternated by being determined by either individuals (think Genghis Khan, Napoleon) or larger forces at play (think socio-economic reasoning to many historical events). In this, I would say Trump is Trump (the individual) making his moves that very much go against the larger forces at play that was "business as usual". So equating him to a symptom of America is true in the sense that sooner or later America was bound to have someone like him deviate the course of history, and I also believe post-Trump America is not going to reverse course.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by ericmay »

jacquesm wrote: post #341
ericmay wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will the EU get this arctic warfare equipment to Greenland? If the EU is so ready and willing to use this equipment, maybe they should deploy it to Ukraine instead. The US literally has bases in Alaska and Greenland and deals with these temperatures regularly.

The EU doesn't have to fire a single bullet to get the US out of Greenland again. You are thinking in a very limited way.

Sure if the US decides it would like to leave Greenland? It's just depending on who wants what with what influence factors. But if both blocks just decided to put all of their might and resources and politics capital into this the US clearly can just take Greenland and there's nothing the EU can do about it.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by register »

bko wrote: post #264
lynndotpy wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. When considering a post-USA world, we also get to consider a post-Microsoft, post-Meta, post-Google, post-CloudFlare, post-Amazon, etc world. I can't say I know much about how the EU operates or how quickly their Open Digital Ecosystems initiative could take shape, but this is a really opportune time to build a better tech in…

What does post-USA world mean? Who is the leader in culture, business, technology? The only other contender I can think of is China. And this is better?

Bunisess and technology. Culture ? Highly debatable and certainly not in the last 10 years.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by genthree »

drcongo wrote: post #75
philipallstar wrote: post #5

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> that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power. Anyone of principle would have been saying this before 2025, and far louder.

Lots of us were, but we were mostly shouted down as being hysterical for warning that fascism was coming.

I've seen actual people (mostly this year) who write stuff like, "sure, I can't deny that this is fascism now, but you've been calling lawlessness for the rich, concentration of power in the public and private sectors both, militarization of the police, the war on drugs, free speech zones, surveillance capitalism, voter suppression, pushes to roll back civil rights, and many of our wars, fascist, for decades! It's not my fault I didn't realize it was for-real this time."

They're so close to getting it. So very, frustratingly close.

At least one of them got published somewhere recently, might have been The Atlantic. You just wish you could smack them with a clue-stick.

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