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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by mcv »

jacquesm wrote: post #9
philipallstar wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power. Anyone of principle would have been saying this before 2025, and far louder.

Note that this is from a country that wouldn't exist if not for the allied countries and that the US has somehow managed to all but erase that reputation. We recognize our debt, we also recognize that this is to a country that no longer exists in a meaningful way. All we have now is multiple variations of the mob.

The way you pay off that debt is not to the original liberator now turned oppressor, but by extending similar help to countries that are now in a similar bind as we were then. Like Ukraine. I really think we are morally obligated to liberate and help Ukraine.

Our debt to the US has long been paid off. It was paid off when we submitted to their economic world order, when we bought their goods and their entertainment, when we bought their software and let our own software industry dwindle, and finally when we went to war on their side on their questionable military adventures.

We owe the US nothing. I will still help them when they actually want it, but not like this.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by 0xcb0 »

The United States are not longer an allie nor a friend to to EU. Under Trump, they have turned into a Terror regiem, ignoring international law, human rights. They have to be international isolated together with Israel. They are the enemy of a free and civilized world!

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

nxm wrote: post #41
matsemann wrote: post #7

Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

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While at it, let's finally remove American Dollar as the de-facto currency all around the world because part of the agreement between EU and America was that American dollars would become the global currency and EU would get defense security in return which was mutually benefitial to both.

To be honest, EU will invest in its own defense in coming years. The cat is out of the box, US proved to be an unstable partner/even an enemy for a country like denmark that you had to prepare to fight full scare war against.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

The billionaire oligarch who put that (stupid) idea in Trump's head is still out there. His son-in-law will probably be the next head of the Federal Reserve.

If the oligarchs don't feel any pushback they'll continue to wreck the US and Europe.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by easytiger »

jacquesm wrote: post #20
crispyambulance wrote: post #13

There's a difference between "posturing" for show and actually "preparing for war". They're wise to the fact that "the Stable Genius" isn't going to try anything violent with Denmark/Greenland, but they still want to prevent him thinking about just stealing territory "peacefully."

Trust me, Denmark wasn't posturing. The assumption was - and still is - that the USA wasn't posturing either. We (and I realize I obviously don't speak for all of Europe but I have my finger on the pulse in many places here) are also not assuming that when Trump is gone the USA will go back to normal.

This is absurd in the extreme. In actual war there is absolutely no possibility of success for Denmark, even with the help of allies. Failure to capitulate results in nothing but death and destruction with no hope of strategic gain to begin with. What you are likely experiencing is a modern belief that screaming and shouting will bring popular diplomatic pressure to bear on the opponent, thus arresting their actions.

There was similar tough talk in 1940 and Denmark lasted 6 hours. Without capitulation the country would have been razed. But surrender saw it able to keep some level of control and thus extricate the Jewish population in relative safety which would not otherwise have been possible.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by kalaksi »

butILoveLife wrote: post #27
Planktonne wrote: post #4

That is a very reasonable response to the threats they faced.

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But the outcome as a whole isn't the same. Maybe the same areas get invaded, maybe not. Denmark is also part of NATO. But it isn't the same to just give something up without a fight even if same areas get eventually invaded.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by KaiserPro »

throwa356262 wrote: post #2

Those Danes should study the Falklands war. Using F35 in this situation is like brining in a billion dollar paperweight to the battle.s

They did study the falklands war, thats why they were planning to blow up the runway should shit go wrong.

The idea was to make it as difficult as possible to invade, not to stop it, because that’s largely impossible.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by NikolaNovak »

jacquesm wrote: post #20
crispyambulance wrote: post #13

There's a difference between "posturing" for show and actually "preparing for war". They're wise to the fact that "the Stable Genius" isn't going to try anything violent with Denmark/Greenland, but they still want to prevent him thinking about just stealing territory "peacefully."

Trust me, Denmark wasn't posturing. The assumption was - and still is - that the USA wasn't posturing either. We (and I realize I obviously don't speak for all of Europe but I have my finger on the pulse in many places here) are also not assuming that when Trump is gone the USA will go back to normal.

USA cannot go back to normal. The internal damage / changeover is massive - everybody disagreing with current administration policies has either been removed or departed - whether in health or defense (I'm sorry, War) or science or education or other departments.
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