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Honda is killing its EVs

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Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Japanese auto companies are so incredibly corrupt it's hilarious. Toyota has clear ties with terrorist organizations plus intentionally going out of their way to kill EVs with the whole hydrogen scam. And Honda right here trying to "kill" EVs as well.

The moment a battery without lithium comes out, legacy car engines are dead for good.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Consumers, mostly those who buy EVs from the likes of Tesla, Rivian, and BYD, have grown accustomed to the frequent updates, slick infotainment software, and advanced driver-assistance systems. Honda has yet to make significant progress in any of those domains.

"Grown accustomed to" is a funny way of saying "begrudgingly put up with because the alternative is buying a new car, but really they would rather not have to deal with that crap at all."

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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All the legacy automakers that haven't fully moved to EV's PROFITABLY will go defacto bankrupt within a few years, there will be some mergers to stay alive but it's game over. Tesla and China companies will own auto, with Tesla capturing most the profit, similar to Apple vs Android phones. Autonomy will further accelerate this.

tesla is not competitive vs chinese. they can remain afloat wherever the chinese are not allowed to sell, that's about it

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Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> freight I know the US primarily uses diesel for its trains, but have you ever been outside of the US before?

Freight can also mean shipping, I’m not sure electric ships are a thing yet.

yes. And if you look at costs:

- $0.005 to $0.01 per ton-mile (for ocean ships)

- $0.05 to $0.08 per ton-mile (for diesel trucks)

- $0.015 – $0.025 per ton-mile (for electric trucks)

- $0.007 per ton-mile (for diesel trains)

- $0.002 per ton-mile (for electric trains)

- $0.002 – $0.004 per ton-mile (electric ships, not widely deployed yet due to battery weight)

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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OTOH, it really looks like Toyota is Goldilocks. Most companies invested too much too early and had to write off a substantial amount, but Toyota is rolling into 2027 with a small but nice selection of EV's. Over 25% of vehicles sold world-wide were electric in 2025, and that percentage is steadily increasing. So VW & Ford were "too hot", Honda is looking like "too cold" and Toyota might be the "just right" of the th…

I recently drove a brand new Toyota EV. It was ... fine. But I wouldn't buy it. Kia/Hyundai make the best EV's for the US right now.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

#336

This is so unfortunate. I was never a van guy, but my wife insisted we get a van, so I got the Honda. And honestly? I kinda love it. It drives like a car but holds eight people (or four people and a whole bunch of luggage). The way we use the van, 90% of our drives are under 20 miles round trip. The rest are longer road trips. I've been waiting eight years for Honda to make an electric or even a plug-in hybrid where…

the new sienna's are all hybrid and get 36mpg. best you are gonna do.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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I'm not anti-EV... I don't have charging capability at my apartment or work. On occasion, I do 300 mile trips (adirondacks/nyc). Skeptical of winter performance. I have no interest in "frequent updates, slick infotainment software, and advanced driver-assistance systems". Frankly, no spare tire is a no starter for me also.

BYD just released a car that charges 250mi of range in 5min for exactly this reason.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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The wind is just blowing back towards internal combustion for the moment. A couple years and they will shift again. Killing the whole research project would be dumb. Killing current models makes some sense.

Only in the US. The rest of the world, especially the undeveloped and developing world, is currently undergoing a car ownership boom due to cheap Chinese EVs.

How are those Chinese EV makers doing financially, anyway?

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2025/11/china-elec...

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Ironically, Trump attacking Iran and closing the Strait is a boon to China and EV makers. Once the car is produced, aside from lubricants, it’s completely independent of oil. Heck you can put panels on your rooftop and slow charge it during the day.

>Heck you can put panels on your rooftop and slow charge it during the day. The breakeven for this is so bad that it's only worth it for the gullible "wow" factor from the general public asking about it.

A friend of mine has a dozen panels in central France and pretty much provides all the energy for his Kia eNiro. He reckons the payback time is under five years.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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I live in a top EV market, Norway. ICE cars have been planned out for years now, and something like 96% of all new cars in Norway were EV last year. Basically, if you plan on keeping selling ICE cars, you're removing yourself from the market here. There's no future for new personal ICE cars here. I figure most other countries will be the same.

Oh yeah, because Norway is very representative of the world... A country that is bigger than half Spain with 10 times less population with one of the lowest electrify prices of the entire world(5-8 dollars MWh) because of huge hydro resources. A country with huge capital reserves precisely because of oil resources.

His first sentence is literally disclaiming that he is in an outlier market.
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