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Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by munksbeer »

miroljub wrote: post #615
dotandgtfo wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What examples of this do you have in recent years (post 2016)? The clearest example of lobbying (chat control) has repeatedly been struck down.

The fact that it has to be repeatedly fended off and that the EU regime still tries to push it is a prime example of lobbying^H corruption. They won't give up until they pass. What more do you need?

> that the EU regime still tries to push it

Sorry, what is this "EU regime"? I'm not understanding the logic in your post. The people pushing it are certain elected officials of member nations.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by kevstev »

guitarlimeo wrote: post #692
redm wrote: post #654

The question I keep coming back to regarding the recent debate around age verification is "Why now?" I'm 47, and I started using the internet in my early teens through BBS gateways. I've seen every age of the Internet, and there's always been widely available pornographic materials. Why all of a sudden is this a crisis? Perhaps I'm missing something?

Have you questioned whether you might have been better off without seeing ISIS decapitation videos when you were a teenager (you might be too old for that though)? Or maybe that you have something that makes you more immune to this stuff? I think that I'm biased to think "it shouldn't be a crisis" because I saw that stuff as a kid and turned out ok, it's a prime example of survivor bias, maybe someone who saw that st…

> Have you questioned whether you might have been better off without seeing ISIS decapitation videos when you were a teenager (you might be too old for that though)?

See, I have, and I think I am actually a better person for it. Videos like these show how humans are really just apes and can easily fall into doing heinous things. It helped harden my view that religion is a net negative for the world, made me a bit more careful, especially in where I choose to travel, and has given me a wider worldview.

No one is rick-rolling with Isis decapitation videos, you go to those sites, and you know what you are getting into. One of the wonders of the early internet was rotten.com, and I am very sad its gone.

How exactly is seeing what human beings are capable of going to harm anyone? It certainly isn't so "damaging" that it needs to be hidden from anyone.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by jayers »

mperham wrote: post #696
SirMaster wrote: post #678

We age gate the movie theater, so why is age gating a website or app any worse?

What age is appropriate for the Safari app? What age is appropriate for PlannedParenthood.com? Reddit.com? A movie is a distinct piece of content. A website and an app can be a container for lots of different content.

This isn't even a hard question. The movie theater is open but movies that are rated R are not. In this case, Reddit.com is a movie theater, subreddits are movies. The website might be open, but not every subreddit is. This is in fact how Reddit already operates, age verification is just a joke right now.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

orwin wrote: post #679
djxfade wrote: post #537

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I disagree. What if, hear me out, parents actually parent, instead of relegating the parenting to companies, and ruining the internet for the rest of us?

Of course! Age verification laws for buying alcohol, tobacco (and firearms in the US) should be removed! They ruin our experience. The same way, keeping driver license behind an age gate is unnecessary, parents should parents! I was driving tractors at 12yo, why couldn't I drive a car? Parents should be the one responsible if they give money or a car to their kid

At least nobody is making a list of who, where and when bought the cigar. Now facebook wants to know at what time, for how much, which brand, from which referrer....

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by mijoharas »

konart wrote: post #598
hliyan wrote: post #538

Why can't we handle this the same way we handle knives, guns and chainsaws: require adults to secure the device before letting minors near them? All the devices need is the ability to create limited access profiles. A human adult performs age verification by only providing the minor with creditals to a limited profile. Trying to perform that verification so far away from the minor, after they have got to the last gat…

>same way we handle knives I'm pretty sure most kids older than 12 do have access to kitchen knives. And actively use them too. I generally agree with your point. But at the same time access to the internet resouces and to gun or a chaisaw is not the same. I have no problem securing a few items if my home, but I have no control over whatever is available on the net. Sure, I can write some firewall rules or create "ki…

> I'm pretty sure most kids older than 12 do have access to kitchen knives. And actively use them too.

True, and it's the parents responsibility to ensure that children won't injure themselves with the knives, or take them out or to school or whatever.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by bluGill »

wussboy wrote: post #743
bluGill wrote: post #569

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If I have to watch my kids 100% of the time they can't walk to the park. Nothing to do with street design - most suburbs have a park a safe walk near any house. That kids are not walking there is nothing to do with street design.

Your kids not walking there has everything to do with street design. Check out Not Just Bikes on YouTube for why and how.

I have - he is making huge logic errors. There is good stuff there, but some conclusions don't follow. Others are correct for one area but don't generalize. He isn't as bad as strongtowns but still you need to use care when following him.

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Post by sippeangelo »

rootusrootus wrote: post #756
parineum wrote: post #738

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> This is outlined in Project 2025 (which I have not read). Great sentence. Aside from making me completely doubt everything you're stating, I don't understand why people just take it as a given that Project 2025 is something the current administration gives two shits about. Is war in Iran in Project 2025?

> I don't understand why people just take it as a given that Project 2025 is something the current administration gives two shits about. Because if you use project 2025 as a scorecard, the current administration is hitting all the salient points very quickly. With a score that high, inferring that the administration does in fact give two shits about it seems reasonable.

Said scoreboard: https://www.project2025.observer

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by Palomides »

cycomanic wrote: post #721

These discussions remind me so much of the US discussions about federal ID documents as verification. There's a vocal portion of people which opposes any solution because "privacy, government overreach, surveillance ...". So instead of a solution like e.g. zero-proof age verification, that tries to minimize intrusions on privacy, the result is the worst of all worlds, maximum surveillance (but I guess it's ok if it i…

this position assumes the surveillance state or megacorps would be satisfied with a zero knowledge proof based ID/age verification system, which is not at all obvious to me

meta could spend their billions lobbying for that, if they wanted to

edit: to be clear, I do think a government developed and maintained ZKP ID/age system is the best possible compromise, I just don't think we have any chance of getting it

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by bix6 »

swiftcoder wrote: post #731
sieep wrote: post #723

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> Just look at the freaking mess that is trying to proof your identity in the US. Care to elaborate? I'm not sure what's a mess about a driver's license, social security card. I've never once had any issue with my identity.

> I'm not sure what's a mess about a driver's license, social security card Neither of those are accepted by various states' voter id laws, nor can you reliably board an airplane with them since RealID. The only foolproof identity card in the US appears to be a passport (which, you know, global federal identity card... exactly what the folks against universal ids dislike)

My drivers license is a real id and has been for like 5 years? This is a non issue if you went to the DMV instead of waiting until now.
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