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Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by cycomanic »

These discussions remind me so much of the US discussions about federal ID documents as verification.

There's a vocal portion of people which opposes any solution because "privacy, government overreach, surveillance ...". So instead of a solution like e.g. zero-proof age verification, that tries to minimize intrusions on privacy, the result is the worst of all worlds, maximum surveillance (but I guess it's ok if it is not the federal government, but meta), with minimum utility. Just look at the freaking mess that is trying to proof your identity in the US.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by hedora »

xvector wrote: post #703
guitarlimeo wrote: post #692

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you questioned whether you might have been better off without seeing ISIS decapitation videos when you were a teenager (you might be too old for that though)? Or maybe that you have something that makes you more immune to this stuff? I think that I'm biased to think "it shouldn't be a crisis" because I saw that stuff as a kid and turned out ok, it's a prime example of survivor bias, maybe someone who saw that st…

Nearly everyone I know that saw this stuff turned out just fine We do not need to turn society into a police state because we're afraid the next generation might not be able to handle what we handled fine for the most part Edge cases should not dictate the removal of our freedom & rights

These bills are specifically exempting platforms that distributed the ISIS videos (like meta), and including platforms that did not.

apt-get install isis-beheading-vids doesn't work on any Linux distribution I've seen, and it's not like Microsoft or Apple were preloading them on laptops.

These bills have nothing to do with online safety. They exist purely to establish a police state (that will currently be run by a convicted felon with child abusers as deputies -- look at what ICE has been doing to the kids they round up, especially the pregnant ones).

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by sieep »

cycomanic wrote: post #721

These discussions remind me so much of the US discussions about federal ID documents as verification. There's a vocal portion of people which opposes any solution because "privacy, government overreach, surveillance ...". So instead of a solution like e.g. zero-proof age verification, that tries to minimize intrusions on privacy, the result is the worst of all worlds, maximum surveillance (but I guess it's ok if it i…

> Just look at the freaking mess that is trying to proof your identity in the US.

Care to elaborate? I'm not sure what's a mess about a driver's license, social security card. I've never once had any issue with my identity.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by throwaway27448 »

hliyan wrote: post #538

Why can't we handle this the same way we handle knives, guns and chainsaws: require adults to secure the device before letting minors near them? All the devices need is the ability to create limited access profiles. A human adult performs age verification by only providing the minor with creditals to a limited profile. Trying to perform that verification so far away from the minor, after they have got to the last gat…

Because that doesn't work?

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by mothballed »

andrepd wrote: post #691
kakacik wrote: post #597

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You can't just push responsibility for the kids to the parents, where is the world going? This is madness. The next thing you are going to claim kids from young age shouldn't have fully unlocked smart phones, shouldn't install any app and so on. Where is the end of this? Are you telling me parents should spend more time with kids, heck even be their role models although it is much harder compared to just giving up on…

Parents shouldn't beat or rape their kids yet many thousands do. Parents should teach their kids about sex yet we still have sex ed in schools. Parents shouldn't deprive their kids of an education yet a minority do for religious our personal reasons; we still have compulsory schooling. Parents shouldn't give cigarretes or alcohol to kids yet we still have laws to prevent their sale to minors. I'm always unsure what y…

Kids are not property of the parents. Because with property rights comes responsibility.

And that's the catch-22 imposed on parents. Society wants to lord over the power as if the child is their property but none of the responsibility. Anything that went wrong is the parent's fault. It's always more and more requirements upon the parent, a nearly one way imposition of power where law or society says what you must do but of course you will bear all the costs. But by god you better not morally outrage someone or they'll have CPS up your ass.

It's largely the cheapest kind of concern. The kind where you mete out punishment out of a sense of smug moral superiority, but never lift a hand to help out for the endeavors you advocate for, only to push them into a sort of moral tragedy of the commons.

These laws only mete out punishment for people failing to obey, not actually provide support, it is essentially theatre of pretending to care about children. Theatre by the most evil of people, those that use kids as political props.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by burnt-resistor »

cycomanic wrote: post #721

These discussions remind me so much of the US discussions about federal ID documents as verification. There's a vocal portion of people which opposes any solution because "privacy, government overreach, surveillance ...". So instead of a solution like e.g. zero-proof age verification, that tries to minimize intrusions on privacy, the result is the worst of all worlds, maximum surveillance (but I guess it's ok if it i…

Yup. And like the Clipper chip but with much less pushback. It's a weaponized manufacturing consent campaign to fool people into giving up their privacy and anonymity with d/misinformation. It's so disgusting that state and federal legislators are giving them everything they want, well beyond regulatory capture towards absolute corruption and absolute power.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by f1shy »

tashbarg wrote: post #663
f1shy wrote: post #549

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If you can disturb enough people that think differently, independent of the final result, you can end up silencing them. Is the same that happens with bogus DCMA claims in Youtube channels, when they negative reviews of products. For a normal guy, having the police showing up, going to court, lawyer, etc, can be a significant burden. I DO see a problem.

Yes, I agree. But I can not see how the legal framework could be better. Insults are illegal. Prosecution needs to look into all reported cases.

The problem with “insult is illegal” is that is hard to define insult. I beg to differ, that is a good system. The full explanation is here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oS9Ey3C_E-U&pp=ygUgQXRraW5zIG9...

> Prosecution needs to look into all reported cases.

The ramifications of that sentence in terms of cost, effort and possibly other nuances, makes me shiver.

Note how a minimal misbehavior of a relatively small portion of the population could render any police and judicial system totally inoperative. Just 2000 people across the country go doing light insults to random people… again, I can think of much better systems.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by GJim »

deaux wrote: post #606
dotandgtfo wrote: post #554

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What examples of this do you have in recent years (post 2016)? The clearest example of lobbying (chat control) has repeatedly been struck down.

https://noyb.eu/en/project/dpa/dpc-ireland GDPR is entirely unenforced, it's not worth the paper it's written on, and this is due to lobbying. The situation continues to this day. The DPAs simply throw reports of violations into the trash bin. It's hilariously transparent - Ireland recently (less than 6 months ago) added a former _Meta lobbyist_ to their DPA board [0]. US Big Tech is now spending a record €151 millio…

> GDPR is entirely unenforced,

The fact that in the UK/EU no reputable company is now sharing data without our explicit opt-in permission suggests you are talking bollocks.

As for disreputable companies.... don't do business with them!

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by abustamam »

sieep wrote: post #723
cycomanic wrote: post #721

These discussions remind me so much of the US discussions about federal ID documents as verification. There's a vocal portion of people which opposes any solution because "privacy, government overreach, surveillance ...". So instead of a solution like e.g. zero-proof age verification, that tries to minimize intrusions on privacy, the result is the worst of all worlds, maximum surveillance (but I guess it's ok if it i…

> Just look at the freaking mess that is trying to proof your identity in the US. Care to elaborate? I'm not sure what's a mess about a driver's license, social security card. I've never once had any issue with my identity.

I think they're talking about proving your identity to a non govt entity. A few things that come to mind are any platform with a KYC, they require you to upload your ID and assure you they're secure with a little lock icon.
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