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Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by andrepd »

kakacik wrote: post #597
sschueller wrote: post #562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Swiss eID is open source[1] and it's usage will be limited. Any type of age verification for online service would need go to a vote and would probably loose. "Eigenverantwortung", it is the parents job to look after the kids, not the state. [1] https://github.com/swiyu-admin-ch

You can't just push responsibility for the kids to the parents, where is the world going? This is madness. The next thing you are going to claim kids from young age shouldn't have fully unlocked smart phones, shouldn't install any app and so on. Where is the end of this? Are you telling me parents should spend more time with kids, heck even be their role models although it is much harder compared to just giving up on…

Parents shouldn't beat or rape their kids yet many thousands do. Parents should teach their kids about sex yet we still have sex ed in schools. Parents shouldn't deprive their kids of an education yet a minority do for religious our personal reasons; we still have compulsory schooling. Parents shouldn't give cigarretes or alcohol to kids yet we still have laws to prevent their sale to minors.

I'm always unsure what your sort of argument seems to imply. Kids are not property of their parents and the state routinely makes decisions about children's welfare.

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Post by guitarlimeo »

redm wrote: post #654

The question I keep coming back to regarding the recent debate around age verification is "Why now?" I'm 47, and I started using the internet in my early teens through BBS gateways. I've seen every age of the Internet, and there's always been widely available pornographic materials. Why all of a sudden is this a crisis? Perhaps I'm missing something?

Have you questioned whether you might have been better off without seeing ISIS decapitation videos when you were a teenager (you might be too old for that though)? Or maybe that you have something that makes you more immune to this stuff?

I think that I'm biased to think "it shouldn't be a crisis" because I saw that stuff as a kid and turned out ok, it's a prime example of survivor bias, maybe someone who saw that stuff didn't turn out that well. Also one thing I've been wondering I'm not sure if that's the beginning of my everlong cynicism. If it is, then I might have been better off without being exposed to that material that early in my life.

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Post by intrasight »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #677
PeterStuer wrote: post #647

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where has a few decades of "safety" culture catering to the greater moron really brought us?

Seatbelts and helmets have saved countless lives

And tort law has saved hundreds of thousands of lives

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

hliyan wrote: post #538

Why can't we handle this the same way we handle knives, guns and chainsaws: require adults to secure the device before letting minors near them? All the devices need is the ability to create limited access profiles. A human adult performs age verification by only providing the minor with creditals to a limited profile. Trying to perform that verification so far away from the minor, after they have got to the last gat…

Doing it "the same way we handle knives, guns and chainsaws" would require handing over your ID to even buy computer parts if it's the same as the EU.

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Post by Mashimo »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #676
Mashimo wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what's stopping my friend's 18 year old brother from lending his ID to every 14 year old at school? MitID is 2fa. You log in with username, then you have to open the app, enter password or scan biometric, then scan the QR code of the screen* and you are logged in. He would need to be next to you every time you log in. I think that is too high friction to make it feasible on large scale. * Assuming you open the webs…

That's how the user interface works. What is it doing at the protocol level? What stops someone from building a service that mints anonymous verification codes on a massive scale and distributes them to anyone who asks? Maybe with the user interface being an app kids can download to scan any QR code and pass verification.

I don't know. I would assume the account gets blocked if you do it on a larger scale, so you have to rotate account, which gets expensive fast as it's not easy to steal them?

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Post by mperham »

SirMaster wrote: post #678

We age gate the movie theater, so why is age gating a website or app any worse?

What age is appropriate for the Safari app? What age is appropriate for PlannedParenthood.com? Reddit.com?

A movie is a distinct piece of content. A website and an app can be a container for lots of different content.

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Post by hedora »

redm wrote: post #654

The question I keep coming back to regarding the recent debate around age verification is "Why now?" I'm 47, and I started using the internet in my early teens through BBS gateways. I've seen every age of the Internet, and there's always been widely available pornographic materials. Why all of a sudden is this a crisis? Perhaps I'm missing something?

This is outlined in Project 2025 (which I have not read).

As I understand it, the age verification laws are part of a three pronged plan to eliminate privacy, freedom of speech and freedom of expression online.

The goals being to expand current police abuses to include LGBTQ++, reporters, democrats, non-whites, non-christians, demonstrators, etc.

It all is predictable and makes perfect sense if you assume the goal is to hold control over the white house in 2029 while being even less popular than they currently are.

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

tashbarg wrote: post #536
bradley13 wrote: post #505

The article makes one mistake: praising Europe for having a better approach. Governments here are pushing hard to force ID requirements. Sure, they start by pretending it's "for the children" and they "only want age verification". They also claim that e-IDs will be voluntary. Camel. Nose. Tent. These are the same governments that file criminal charges when you compare lying leader to Pinocchio (Germany). The UK recor…

Regarding the Pinocchio thing: Local police said „that‘s probably insult“ and sent it to public prosecutors. Public prosecutors investigated and said „nope, free speech“. I really don’t see the problem.

The investigation and the threat against your freedom and safety (the implication of prison is always that you'll be harmed in there) WAS the punishment.

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Post by rglover »

redm wrote: post #654

The question I keep coming back to regarding the recent debate around age verification is "Why now?" I'm 47, and I started using the internet in my early teens through BBS gateways. I've seen every age of the Internet, and there's always been widely available pornographic materials. Why all of a sudden is this a crisis? Perhaps I'm missing something?

Just talked to a long-time friend laughing about the state of things and how we used to have unfettered access to horrific gore photos at 14. Don't ask me what the appeal was, I have no idea, but it was possible.
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