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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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The question I keep coming back to regarding the recent debate around age verification is "Why now?" I'm 47, and I started using the internet in my early teens through BBS gateways. I've seen every age of the Internet, and there's always been widely available pornographic materials. Why all of a sudden is this a crisis? Perhaps I'm missing something?

Missing something? Perhaps.

Pornography is a very convenient pretext. The real target is anonymity and pseudonymity. Both have been abundantly available on the early Internet. Both were and are being gradually squeezed out from it.

Various law enforcement agencies would love to know more, always more. The more the users are required to identify themselves, link their online identity (maybe pseudonymous for other users) to their official offline identity, the easier it is to find and catch criminals. Not only criminals, of course, but even if we assume 0% nefarious intent, and only the desire to catch the evildoers who swindle grandmas out of their life's savings, this still holds.

Operators of big sites also would benefit. Easier to ban disruptive users. Many great ways to turn the precise identity into targeted ads.

The internet has become a very serious, consequential space. More like... the "real world", which was considered separate from the internet in 1990s. Now they are inseparable, so the pressures of the "real world" are equally present offline and online.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Not sure I see the crossover between activities performed at home and problems of car centric street design and the resulting poor pedestrian traffic safety?

If I have to watch my kids 100% of the time they can't walk to the park. Nothing to do with street design - most suburbs have a park a safe walk near any house. That kids are not walking there is nothing to do with street design.

> That kids are not walking there is nothing to do with street design.

Some state legislatures are pushing back against this. Utah passed a law in 2018 which amends the definition of neglect to exclude this kind of thing.

https://le.utah.gov/~2018/bills/static/SB0065.html

  (c) "Neglect" does not include:
    [...]
    (iv) permitting a child, whose basic needs are met and who is of sufficient age and maturity to avoid harm or unreasonable risk of harm, to engage in independent activities, including:
      [...]
      (B) traveling to and from nearby commercial or recreational facilities;
A handful of other states have followed suit. This page shows a map of states with similar laws: https://letgrow.org/states/

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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post #670

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> what's stopping my friend's 18 year old brother from lending his ID to every 14 year old at school? MitID is 2fa. You log in with username, then you have to open the app, enter password or scan biometric, then scan the QR code of the screen* and you are logged in. He would need to be next to you every time you log in. I think that is too high friction to make it feasible on large scale. * Assuming you open the webs…

If people have to go through OS auth flow each time they open a website, that will drive everyone mad. One of the key motivators for politicians is not making everyone mad, so the polls don't drop. Also, I reckon most children know the password for their parent's phone or computer, and many more will find out if there is a highly motivational factor for doing so. How many exhausted parents just toss their phone to th…

Most people use biometric for MitID, but yes you can set up pin login. Hopefully not the same as your phone login :D

It's already the single sign on for government websites, banking, healthcare, digital post, insurance, law (sign contracts) etc.

Shit man, you can get divorced through that. I really hope most parents don't give their kids access to it.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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The question I keep coming back to regarding the recent debate around age verification is "Why now?" I'm 47, and I started using the internet in my early teens through BBS gateways. I've seen every age of the Internet, and there's always been widely available pornographic materials. Why all of a sudden is this a crisis? Perhaps I'm missing something?

They seek monopoly. Startups can’t afford these barriers and can’t convince users to trust them with the safety and value of the verification process without being an established brand.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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You can't just push responsibility for the kids to the parents, where is the world going? This is madness. The next thing you are going to claim kids from young age shouldn't have fully unlocked smart phones, shouldn't install any app and so on. Where is the end of this? Are you telling me parents should spend more time with kids, heck even be their role models although it is much harder compared to just giving up on…

I totally agree with that sentiment but we can and should both have good parents and safe devices.

You mean ‘safe devices’ that don't let hostile actors know everything I'm doing, right?

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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post #654

The question I keep coming back to regarding the recent debate around age verification is "Why now?" I'm 47, and I started using the internet in my early teens through BBS gateways. I've seen every age of the Internet, and there's always been widely available pornographic materials. Why all of a sudden is this a crisis? Perhaps I'm missing something?

Locking down the entire chain of trust.

Try to start an ISP and/or become a public Certificate Authority.You will quickly run into steep requirement (admin and financial). To buy IP address space, get peering partners for traffic transit, hosting dns, hosting email (good luck getting mail delivered to the big providers without having your own users verified via mobile number). Try to build a mobile app, or phone or runtime - all the key signing, binary signing involved, the entire security model from hardware/firmware, boot, memory access, runtime safety and on and on. Then there are the intelligence agencies and various countries surveillance laws, information laws.

If you add it all together, we are already monitored 100%. They want to linked and prove the monitored device is linked a certain human beyond a doubt. Email, Mobile, Full names are not enough, they want your biometrics too. They want you serial numbers of devices and mac addresses of networked devices and SIM cards. They want it all.They want your children to have devices with camera, mic and gps trackers in. Your kids will be part of kompromat before they reach adulthood and some of them will be blackmailed by government agents and other bad actors throughout life. Some kids will be trafficked with the help of all these tech solutions, because they know exactly where your kids are at every moment.

Add home assistants, smart tv's with cameras, toys with cameras, outdoor cameras, shopping mall cameras everywhere, in-vehicle cameras and mics. Bluetooth beacons everywhere.

Add it all up and ask yourself, is this truly about child safety? Not at all. I'd argue they would be more exposed. If they wanted children safer, they'd recommend parents and schools to 100% remove kids from the internet or devices with public internet access. Why does a 10 year old need to know how to join a teams meeting and being comfortable on a video call?

Not to mention the access to weird porn and gore sites that WILL traumatize a young mind.

Then contemplate what all this data will be used for in the hands of extremists, nazi's, dictators, the effects on free speech & journalism, the propaganda machines reach on you and your family.

The internet is 10000% cooked and no longer open. It's better to disconnect from it at this point.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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I totally agree with that sentiment but we can and should both have good parents and safe devices.

Where has a few decades of "safety" culture catering to the greater moron really brought us?

a vague response to a vague rhethorical question:

a lot of safer morons? we all are the 'greater moron' in some area at some point, cmon

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Sure, but the fact remains that it was referred for criminal prosecution. They didn't follow through, this time, but the victim still had his "lesson" about insulting his betters. And Germany really did sentence people for calling Mr. Habeck "Schwachkopf", which is about as mild an insult as you can find.

> And Germany really did sentence people for calling Mr. Habeck "Schwachkopf", which is about as mild an insult as you can find. Did not know about this, here is the wiki: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwachkopf-Aff%C3%A4re His house was searched because of it, but he did not get sentenced for it. Reminds me of Pimmelgate https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Grote#Umstrittene_Reaktio...

There is a strong hint in the search warrant, that they knew about the distribution of Nazi materials.

Just calling someone Schwachkopf doesn’t get prosecutors to investigate further.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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We age gate the movie theater, so why is age gating a website or app any worse?

Have you given any movie theaters a permanent and persistent copy of your ID lately? Your phone number? Make them a list of anything and everything you've read about lately?

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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post #655

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Clearly the other commenters haven't picked up on your blatant sarcasm for some reason.

Can happen sometimes. I down voted the comment after reading only the first sentence but then corrected it to an upvote after reading the rest. Not sure if many people have an attention span long enough to do something like this.

Even noticing the sarcasm, it just seems a bit... unnecessary? It interrupts a discussion without adding much, so to me just seems snarky for no good reason.
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