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Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by malfist »

Intermernet wrote: post #306
carlmr wrote: post #268

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>it has way more sodium than ground beef you'd buy at a grocerty store We're not comparing fairly here. A finished hamburger patty is not pure ground beef. Did you ever make a hamburger patty yourself? You add salt and spices at a minimum. A more fair comparison would be looking at store-bought hamburger patties. That's the same category of food. I just compared Beyond (0.75g salt per 100g) and block house American B…

You can make an awesome burger pattie with beef, onion, garlic, a touch of finely chopped jalapeno and some herbs and spices etc. You don't need to add salt.

Maybe awesome to you, but many people will find that exact same construction more flavorful if salt is added

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Post by liveoneggs »

malfist wrote: post #379
liveoneggs wrote: post #352

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a bubba burger (grocery store frozen burger) has 90mg sodium ( https://bubbafoods.com/nutrition/bubba-angus-beef-2lb/ ) a beyond burger has 310mg https://www.beyondmeat.com/en-US/products/the-beyond-burger They are lower in fat and total calories but they are obviously more processed = salt. Even a mcdonalds burger patty (without the bun) has less salt.

Not everyone cares about processing or salt. And like the OP said it's not a comparison to a bean burger that matters, they weren't going to chose that anyway, it's the comparison to real meat

it was the first thing he called out as being healthier, which was factually incorrect.

bubba burgers are real meat, not bean burgers

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Post by barrell »

ricardobayes wrote: post #329
barrell wrote: post #226

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This is such a weird comment. It’s ultra processed food devoid of micronutrients with low quality protein and poor bioavailability. Health conscious folks would definitely not choose this. In fact, it’s all the things you try to avoid as soon as you start being health conscious. Folks who want to believe they are being health conscious may be convinced via marketing to buy it, but anyone seriously invested in their n…

However you do realize "ultra processing" here means mechanically separating whole peas to get the protein part? Not trying to correct you or make your point invalid just flagging "processing" is not the scary thing agro lobby trying to make it, in this case. In fact they probably got super scared of meat alternatives and did everything in their power to make it go away. Beyond meat doesn't have nitrates, filler, sta…

There are a lot of people who _thrive_ off of a 100% beef diet, I don’t think there is anyone who could _survive_ off of 100% beyond meat burgers. I don’t think you can say they are way healthier than beef by any stretch of the imagination.

And to extract pure protein from a pea is exactly what I would consider ultra-processed. The checmicals used to separate the protein from the pea are included in the final product. At its purest, you’re at least drenching it in HCl. At its worst, it’s being soaked with who knows what.

Sure maybe it’s cleaned well enough to “not matter” but I think it’s perfectly reasonable to find that a concern and not want to consume it.

And that’s just pea protein, I don’t even want to know the aggregate of all the ingredients and manufacturing process of the “patties”.

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Post by 542354234235 »

Jensson wrote: post #303
CalRobert wrote: post #283

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… do they eat more? I would have thought once a week is high. Though median could differ from average. 12% of Americans eat half the beef https://sph.tulane.edu/how-mere-12-americans-eat-half-nation...

Average American eat around 60 pounds a year, typically you eat less than a full pound when you eat so yeah they probably eat more than once per week. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-meat-usa Given the $112 subsidies per year above, that would add $2 per pound of beef, that would slightly raise the price not balloon it to 30-40 as poster claimed. So he was bullshitting.

Average includes vegans, and I'm pretty sure they eat it less than once per week. It’s just how much meat divided by population. The previous comment shows that the consumption is not anywhere close to equally distributed.

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Post by JeremyNT »

Grimblewald wrote: post #11

I always wondered who their demographic was. The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture). Health-conscious folks would take one look at the ingredient list and bail because of the heavy processing and industrial fillers. You've got bodybuilders a…

> The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture).

I don't see why this follows. There are a lot of ethical vegans and vegetarians who like junk food. And these patties have higher protein than less processed plant based alternatives, which is important to a lot of people. It's just that vegetarians and vegans are a small portion of the overall "burger" market.

I suspect the "meat" branding helped early on, because it got some people to give it a try who otherwise never would have. There were other plant-based burgers on the market already but Beyond really exploded quickly.

It's just that it didn't really live up to the hype enough for meat eaters to go back for a second helping after the novelty wore off. So at this point the "meat" in the brand name isn't doing anything.

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Post by chadcmulligan »

jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #377
mapotofu wrote: post #373

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They are focusing on an American palette, which is averse to things like tofu, seitan, or tempeh as they are considered not masculine enough by a significant portion of the population. This is reinforced by both genders.

There's no hope trying to sell "plant-based hamburger" with any name to toxic masculinity advocates who think soy feminizes you (even though seitan isn't soy). These guys are getting hospitalized from eating all-beef diets because chicken is "too feminine".

They could wash it down with some Brawndo I suppose

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Post by mcdonje »

iinnPP wrote: post #287
mcdonje wrote: post #278

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You're comparing a burger patty to a burger ingredient. Two different things. Not a reasonable comparison.

A burger can be made from that solitary ingredient though.

I think that's rather uncommon. The closest I've seen is someone smashing down some ground beef then putting salt and pepper on it before cooking.

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Post by kleiba »

iinnPP wrote: post #347
kleiba wrote: post #324

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Did you get the point about how you usually season meat (with salt) before you eat it? Beyond Beef has 230mg of sodium per 100g (according to their website), even a pinch of salt you add for seasoning easily contains 10x that amount. Also, do you expect the vegan alternative to have exactly the same nutritional values as their meat counterparts? Look, I don't even know why I'm defending Beyond here, I'm certainly not…

The sodium content is about 3x higher. It doesn't taste 3x higher. If you're salting your recipe with traditional ground beef, you're doing the same with Beyond. If not, same. I do not expect or even encourage the content of any alternative to match the nutritional value of the real deal. A typical pinch of salt is 300mg. Not 2300mg. When the base product has 3x as much sodium, that is a problem. It doesn't need that…

Yes, sorry, you're right - I made a mistake looking up how much salt is in a pinch.

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Post by unfitted2545 »

baud147258 wrote: post #264
unfitted2545 wrote: post #203

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> Have you tried dog meat? I'd like to try one day. But I don't think I'd easily find a butcher selling it here in Western Europe

You could kill a stray! Or is it better to have someone else handle that "natural" part, or would the animals have to be brought into life on a farm to be eligible for killing?
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