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Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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I want my kids to grow up in a world where they can install linux themselves. I don't want them to grow up in a world where they can't walk to a neighborhood park without me.

Not sure I see the crossover between activities performed at home and problems of car centric street design and the resulting poor pedestrian traffic safety?

https://www.businessinsider.com/mom-arrested-after-tween-wal...

there's a general issue with rise in protectionism

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Technically because citizens are also allowed to lobby, but in practice only corporations get to play, so it becomes "legal bribing".

The environmental movement and labor movement are two examples where citizens organize to go up against corporate interests and win pretty regularly and durably. Most of those folks would not call it lobbying because of the negative associations of the word. “We have activists, our opponents have lobbyists.” But it works the same way. It is specifically protected in the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law re…

You might want to look into the industry funding of environmental organizations and the decline of union membership before you decide with your whole heart.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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I quite like the EU approach. It's a decent spec. Most countries already have digital apps to verify identity, like Denmark's MitID ( https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/ ). These could be expanded to fully EUDI compliant wallets and deliver encrypted proof-of-age without exposing any other identity. For example a gambling site could require MitID auth, but only request proof-of-age and nothing else. Yo…

Gambling sites already have payment information, which should include real names! (no, you should not be allowed to do non-KYC gambling, that's just money laundering)

But how do you go from real name to age verification?

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Why "lobbying" is not treated as corruption? This kind of corporate influence should be illegal.

Lobbying is literally half of what representative democracy is. First, you elect representatives to office. Then, you try to get them to do what you want. The latter is lobbying. Of course, when money becomes a significant portion of how the second one happens, things can get complicated.

It's not democracy if one with the most money gets their way.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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The EU, unfortunately, has shown to be very susceptible to this kind of lobbying in the past. We regularly see legislation that is being rammed and rushed through in spite of vocal opposition. I would be very, very worried. (EU citizen)

What examples of this do you have in recent years (post 2016)? The clearest example of lobbying (chat control) has repeatedly been struck down.

> The clearest example of lobbying (chat control) has repeatedly been struck down.

So far. But they’ll keep lobbying and we’ll need to keep fighting.

> What examples of this do you have in recent years (post 2016)?

Digital Omnibus is another.

https://noyb.eu/en/gdpr-omnibus-eu-simplification-far-remove...

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/eu-digit...

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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I know most of this affects only the US, but I'm wondering where this will go in the EU if the Age Verification Tech goes ahead in America. There's been lots of efforts to increase surveillance disguised as protection for kids in the EU and UK. The Swiss implementation of eID may be hint that governments may/will take the responsibility to implement and maintain the tech, but the multiple intrusions and lobbying by P…

The UK is absolutely picking the most stupid option (delegate it to US companies doing face recognition)

Is it stupid or intentional? I believe the latter. There are many layers that these kinds of things go through before they are pushed in that manner and not in a "smart" manner that respects rights of the majority of the population. They are chasing this path for deliberate reasons, regardless of what they may be, or whether you like it or not. Ironically, they can only engage in these "stupid" things because people don't force them to not engage in "stupid things". Silence in consent in these kinds of cases.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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I think age verification laws are good in principle - there's a lot of stuff on the internet that people should be protected from. But it's the manner of age verification that is the issue. The EU has zero knowledge proof age verification systems, e.g. through your bank, which are secure and don't involve sending a copy of your ID and / or face scan to a dodgy US based 3rd party.

I disagree. What if, hear me out, parents actually parent, instead of relegating the parenting to companies, and ruining the internet for the rest of us?

This is a common argument, but the problem is the kids who have deadbeat parents

Or even kids whose parents don't have the technical knowledge needed

Yes I do agree the responsibility is with the parents, but it's these kids who are majoritarily affected by (bad internet actors) AND (bad offline actors)

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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What examples of this do you have in recent years (post 2016)? The clearest example of lobbying (chat control) has repeatedly been struck down.

"repeatedly struck down" means somebody keeps bringing it back

They're proposals by a minority. I'd like to see it go to see chat control go to grave permanently, but I'd also rather not that the democratic system allows for the permanent barring an impossible to define class of proposals from even being proposed. Or do you have other solutions?

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Follow what Nick Clegg has been saying post-Meta. He might give a big clue.

.. do you think you could quote it here to save time please?

"But there is an obvious solution: mandate the operating systems (iOS and Android) to share device users' ages when they download apps from the app stores – data the operating systems get as part of the hardware acquisition already. This would be a simple one-step way for parents to control all the different apps that their kids use (in the US, the average teen uses forty different apps per month) and would remedy the fractured app-by-app approach we have today. We should make a societal judgement about whether to set these age limits for smartphones or social media use at thirteen, fourteen, fifteen or sixteen, then write it into law." in How to Save the Internet by Nick Clegg

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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yes and the earth is flat too along with the moon landing of course classic

I put down real arguments for my statements which I think are reasonable to argue. You appeal to the status quo. I think the earth is round. I'm a "globe-head," but I have MAD respect for people who hold such a controversial viewpoint. I think they're wrong, but I've read a lot of their stuff and don't think they're stupid. I'm 50/50 on the moon landing. You would probably be too if you actually looked into it. The s…

We landed on the Moon. Frame-by-frame analysis of the dust coming off the Lunar Rover at the speed and trajectory shown on video from the Moon proves the Rover was in 1/6th the gravity of Earth [1]. There was no way for that 1/6th gravity to be faked on Earth in 1971. Incidentally, probes recently sent to the Moon show where the Lunar Rover made paths in the dusty surface of the Moon, and those paths align with the original video from the early 1970s.

Flat Earth only has a handful of anecdotal short-range observations of some flat areas of Earth taken from a perspective near ground level. Relative to the size of the Earth, those short-distance observations are dominated by the margins of error in the observation. All of those sight lines are accounted for in LIDAR scans of the Earth as well as the WGS84 model.

For less than $1,000 you can send a high-altitude balloon up to see the slight curvature of the Earth. For a few thousand dollars, you can circumnavigate the Earth in an airplane along a common latitude. For tens of thousands of dollars you can go to Antarctica and see the 24-hour Sun from November to January. Or you could just have all your friends from around the globe point to the Sun and measure that angle. With basic trigonometry, you can see the Sun is about 92 million miles away.

[1] Hsu & Horányi (2012), University of Colorado Boulder - "Ballistic motion of dust particles in the Lunar Roving Vehicle dust trails," American Journal of Physics: https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2012AmJPh..80..452H/abstra...

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