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Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by californical »

viccis wrote: post #171
lithocarpus wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beyond Burger ingredients: Yellow Pea Protein, Avocado Oil, Natural Flavors, Brown Rice Protein, Red Lentil Protein, 2% or less of Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Pea Starch, Potassium Lactate (to preserve freshness), Faba Bean Protein, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Concentrate, Potassium Salt, Spice, Vinegar, Vegetable Juice Color (with Beet). Except for Vinegar, every one of these is an industrially processed/extracte…

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This is a hell of a straw man. The body is very well adapted to natural foods, and is efficient at using nutrients supplied in natural ways.

Engineered ingredients may or may not be equivalent, but they often remove nutrients that existed in whole foods, then attempt to add nutrients back in through industrial processing. But we still don’t know the full affects of that delivery method, but we do know that it can negatively impact the gut microbiome.

There’s enough evidence out there to be highly skeptical of ultra processed ingredients

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/ultraprocessed-foods-bad-f...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41574-025-01218-5

I don’t think those links prove definitively that UPF is a direct cause of disease, but they show strong evidence that there are problems with UPF and we should probably eat more whole ingredients

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by tsimionescu »

627467 wrote: post #126
gpm wrote: post #122

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As a rare non-ideological vegetarian (I just really don't like the taste) you've got the market for this completely backwards. Beyond meat is for ideological vegetarians and vegans who like the taste. Non-ideological ones who would really prefer not to have a meat substitute. At something like 6% of the world the market the population of ideological vegetarians and vegans is huge. With another handful of percent who…

> Beyond meat is for ideological vegetarians and vegans who like the taste. I must be in bubble or have a very different definition of "idiological": of the dozens of vegans/vegetarians I know none would actively seek the "taste" of industrialized "ready-made" "meat replacement". They may put up with it if must be, but seek it? Desire it?

By definition, if you're a vegan or vegetarian for strictly ideological reasons, you still like the taste and feel of meat. So, compared to a vegetarian or vegan who is doing it for other reasons, you're statistically far more likely to seek meat substitutes.

Now, this relies on considering people "ideological vegans/vegetarians" if their only motivation for not eating meat is ideology. This means that the huge amount of Hindu Indians who are ideologically opposed to eating meat don't count, since even without this ideological motivation, they would still have traditional and social and supply reasons to not eat meat.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by kulahan »

rcakebread wrote: post #182
lambda wrote: post #132

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This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

"they're lower in sodium and saturated fat than your average hamburger patty" If you buy a Beyond patty, it has way more sodium than ground beef you'd buy at a grocerty store. Comparing it with a fast food burger isn't really fair.

Not really - every single Burger King out there sells the beyond burger as far as I've seen.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by dataflow »

627467 wrote: post #106

Lets be real: unless fake-meat products become at least the same price as equivalent meat options whats the point? How big is the market for non-ideological vegans/vegetarians that are shopping for meat alternatives? Most people are not ideological with their food. Most people will only stop eating meat when it becomes too expensive to afford. Simple as that. What is the status you gain for being seen eating a beyond…

> Lets be real: unless fake-meat products become at least the same price as equivalent meat options what's the point?

If you were to make fake plant-based products that were (a) noticeably healthier than meat, and (b) indistinguishable from meat taste-wise (or better-tasting), I'm quite confident a lot of people would pay a premium for that.

The problem is the current products just don't deliver that. All they deliver is eco-friendliness at a premium, at which point they're basically offering something more akin to the optional climate fee on flight tickets.

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Post by gusennan »

Vegetarian here. I like Beyond products, such as their chorizo, and eat them all the time. I don’t eat animals not because I’m trying to “eat healthy”, but because I’m trying to opt out participating in a system that is brutally cruel to sentient beings.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by globular-toast »

In a world without animal rights, this is sadly inevitable. It would be like doing work without slaves in a world without human rights. Like, yeah, well done, mate, but I'll still be using my slaves, thanks, it's much cheaper.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by sph »

Scoundreller wrote: post #159
VladVladikoff wrote: post #143

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>what's the problem with consuming proportionately more to make up for the reduction? Because the macros suck. If you’re trying to hit certain protein / carb / fat ratios, eating more of the “protein” means eating a lot more carbs and fat too, which often isn’t the goal. Your analogy is not accurate, it would be more like waking up in pain in the middle of the night after a bad injury, and taking t3s with codeine+ ca…

if you have only fixed-ratio food options, sure, but otherwise, no. > and taking t3s with codeine+ caffeine, and wanting more codeine without wanting the added caffeine. that's what tylenol #4s are for, double the codeine, none the caffeine. Take half a t#4 and half of a regular standard tylenol = T#3 without the codeine.

Found the tylenol expert

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by noufalibrahim »

lithocarpus wrote: post #160
lambda wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

Beyond Burger ingredients: Yellow Pea Protein, Avocado Oil, Natural Flavors, Brown Rice Protein, Red Lentil Protein, 2% or less of Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Pea Starch, Potassium Lactate (to preserve freshness), Faba Bean Protein, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Concentrate, Potassium Salt, Spice, Vinegar, Vegetable Juice Color (with Beet). Except for Vinegar, every one of these is an industrially processed/extracte…

Reminds me of a joke I read online. "Plant Based Meat" is not Plant. It's not Based and it's not Meat.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by s5300 »

lithocarpus wrote: post #160
lambda wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

Beyond Burger ingredients: Yellow Pea Protein, Avocado Oil, Natural Flavors, Brown Rice Protein, Red Lentil Protein, 2% or less of Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Pea Starch, Potassium Lactate (to preserve freshness), Faba Bean Protein, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Concentrate, Potassium Salt, Spice, Vinegar, Vegetable Juice Color (with Beet). Except for Vinegar, every one of these is an industrially processed/extracte…

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Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by messe »

kulahan wrote: post #193
rcakebread wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"they're lower in sodium and saturated fat than your average hamburger patty" If you buy a Beyond patty, it has way more sodium than ground beef you'd buy at a grocerty store. Comparing it with a fast food burger isn't really fair.

Not really - every single Burger King out there sells the beyond burger as far as I've seen.

If they're selling in a supermarket, it's more than fair to compare them to those offerings.

Who's buying Burger King more than grocery shopping?

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