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The American Healthcare Conundrum

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Does anyone here remember how health care was delivered before medicare and medicaid was enacted in 1965? It was not pretty. Prices were low then because it was all private pay and charity. Why do you think so many hospitals are named after saints? The church made a significant contribution to running healthcare. But when the govt got involved in 1965, the MBAs started salivating. Now we have a system that is built a…

Chicken barter, presumably

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> ACA enshrined the worst parts of the American healthcare system for years to come before the ACA, insurers could deny coverage for pre-existing conditions people have forgotten how bad things used to be

Why is that inherently bad? Should I be able to buy fire insurance on pre-existing embers?

When one of my kids was 4, they had an unexplained seizure. Hospital workup, whole nine yards, never recurred; it was probably a medication reaction. Years later we were denied coverage from all the private insurers over it (more accurately: we were denied any coverage for that child).

Similarly, insurers would as a matter of course exclude from coverage any woman with one of several extremely common conditions, including endometriosis, PCOS, fibroids, and adenomyosis.

Prior to Obamacare, insurers were free to deny coverage wholesale for these conditions. It would have been fucked up to extend coverage but exclude any neurological conditions from my kid, but the actual outcome was worse: they were under the law entitled to withhold any coverage.

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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> The US spends ~$14,570 per person on healthcare. Japan spends ~$5,790 and has the highest life expectancy in the OECD. That gap is roughly $3 trillion per year. The difference in life expectancy will be influenced by multiple factors and may have more to do with diet and lifestyle than with healthcare. Japan also spends less per capita than the UK, France or Germany. The US spends a lot more than any of those so th…

> Japan also spends less per capita than the UK, France or Germany

These have to be purchasing power adjusted.

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> part of the healthcare system that is moderately competitive. That’s only half the story though insurance companies also try and reject way more claims, cover fewer people, and are just harder to get money from than Medicare. This means hospitals can’t afford to give them cheaper rates as they just require vastly more work from staff for the same procedure. The industry isn’t blind to this effect, but has little re…

That's true to an extent, and those minimal controls are why Medicare also wastes billions on paying fraudulent claims. https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/episode/ep502-how-some-pre...

I'm working on a project in an area of healthcare where there was massive Medicare fraud decades ago. Medicare now requires extensive documentation for each claim and the paperwork is so onerous that providers have exited the market and it's very, very difficult to access care.

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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I buy that the locus of American overspending is in fees charged by providers (my understanding is that a further principle component of that spending is in end-of-life care).

The problem, though, with going after pharma costs, and pharma benefit managers is that pharma is a relatively small component of overall spending; it's less than 10%. That is to say, you could make all pharmaceuticals entirely free, and we'd get at best a 10% discount on what we pay. I don't think any of us would be satisfied with that!

This is data from the most recent (as of last year) CMS NHE:

https://nationalhealthspending.org/

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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This is an interesting way of presenting a topic, I like it. Especially if it’s got included datasets that allow others to mess with said topic. I don’t want to suggest bloating it up with any complicated UIs, but a Jupyter notebook could be nifty. Maybe not for this specific topic, but other data-heavy subjects.

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Complaints about denied claims or prior authorization requirements should generally be directed at employer HR departments. Most HN users in the USA probably have employer-sponsored group health plans, and often those are self-funded where the insurance company doesn't actually bear any risk but just administers the plan. Commercial insurers would be happy to sell plans that pay every claim that comes in at 100% with…

> Commercial insurers would be happy to sell plans that pay every claim that comes in at 100% with zero denials. It would be less work for them. But naturally employers don't want to pay for that, so the HR departments have the insurance carriers impose more restrictive coverage rules to hold down medical expenses. This is not my experience as a buyer of health plans on healthcare.gov, or as a buyer of health plans a…

Your experience is irrelevant. Insurance carriers have some standard default policies but they'll write whatever custom policy that a group buyer is willing to pay for.

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post #49

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That's true to an extent, and those minimal controls are why Medicare also wastes billions on paying fraudulent claims. https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/episode/ep502-how-some-pre...

They waste billions on fraudulent claims because they don't fund the program well enough to have compliance enforcement or auditing. Also, I'm not going to trust a podcast owned and operated by Stacey Richter, who also just so happens to be the co-president of Aventria Health Group and QC-Health.

There's another reason. The harder you make it for a provider to get reimbursed for a service (in order to cut down on fraud), the more difficult it is for legitimate patients to access that service. Medicare patients are elderly. Many of them aren't able to chase after doctors to get the services they need.

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post #49

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That's true to an extent, and those minimal controls are why Medicare also wastes billions on paying fraudulent claims. https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/episode/ep502-how-some-pre...

I'm working on a project in an area of healthcare where there was massive Medicare fraud decades ago. Medicare now requires extensive documentation for each claim and the paperwork is so onerous that providers have exited the market and it's very, very difficult to access care.

Right, CMS plays whack-a-mole with Medicare claim fraud. When they catch on to a systemic pattern they clamp down in a way that creates extra burdens for everyone, and then the fraudsters move on to something else.
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