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Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

#151
post #20

Man, something like this is going to be a plot point in a movie/tv series soon. Could work in some crime procedural.

This is an old plot, done already in dozens of different variations.

I think there are lots of plots that revolve around rigging sports betting (e.g. sub-plot in Pulp Fiction), but I can't really think of a case where it is not so much about manipulating the actual act that occurred, but rather the news reporting of the act.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

#153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prediction markets as a useful tool are predicated on insider information. The punters without edge are the bait incentivizing the insiders. And in the US prediction markets are regulated like commodities which have much more lax insider rules, because again, insider trading is the point.

> insider trading is the point Says who?

If I use a drone to look over a fence to count the amount of inputs and outputs of a factory, and only I know this, it is perfectly legal for me to trade on it. Not insider trading! I'm just a really good information-finder and I'm morally just in how clever I am at finding an edge.

If I work at the company and count the inputs and outputs, and trade on it, I am a morally bankrupt scumbag and I have hurt society and all of the traders in the market.

Hmmmmmmm

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

#154
post #134
post #21

FYI: In November, an ISW Analyst Manipulated the Situation in Myrnohrad to Rig Map Bets https://militarnyi.com/en/news/in-november-an-isw-analyst-ma...

(as reported by Quincy Institute, a thoroughly pro-Russian think tank)

(Ad-hominem is not a counter-example btw)

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

#155
post #3

Man the moral degradation is off the charts. Prediction markets are easily the worst things to grace the internet by far and its not even close.

But wait, there is more: Assassination market

bet that someone will die by certain date

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

#156
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea behind a prediction market is pretty interesting, especially from an economics dataset point-of-view. And there's probably a lot of fun, harmless things to bet on. eg. "Will Conan lead an extravagent musical number at the Oscars?" But we're in an era of less and less responsible government oversight, so the whole thing naturally gets ruined if there's no guardrails to prevent peoeple without souls or…

The insiders ruin a market like this. Unlike in sports/stocks there are no rules / punishment for insider trading.

Insider knowledge is essential, that's the whole point. Expose the most information possible. The real problem is people who try to influence the perception of outcome after the fact, like in this case. That is exactly the opposite of what is supposed to happen, but it's an unavoidable consequence of money being involved.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

#157
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The insiders ruin a market like this. Unlike in sports/stocks there are no rules / punishment for insider trading.

Prediction markets as a useful tool are predicated on insider information. The punters without edge are the bait incentivizing the insiders. And in the US prediction markets are regulated like commodities which have much more lax insider rules, because again, insider trading is the point.

> Prediction markets as a useful tool are predicated on insider information. The punters without edge are the bait incentivizing the insiders.

And like any other gambling (see 1919 Black Sox), they can also incentivize behavior for actors who can influence the outcome of what’s being gambled upon.

Personally, that’s a significant enough negative externality for me to not want to live in a society where “prediction markets” are popular.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

#158
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polymarket's founder is Shayne Coplan, 27-year old "youngest self-made billionaire" (why do all billionaires seem devoid of ethics?) A sane system would just throw him in jail until his illegal betting market implements KYC.

Putting aside this is sort of a knee-jerk reaction, if this was actually implemented you’d just see the role of the CEO change to basically be a highly-paid fall-guy. People in those positions today would vacate them for quieter roles behind the scenes, and corporations would put greater effort forth to hide their decision making processes. I don’t think it would be a better system.

Why would anyone sign up to be the fall guy? Perhaps because the payoff is worth the the punishment. So make the punishment algorithmically outweigh the payoff, for example by seizing everything they were paid to be the fall guy plus jail time. Doesn't seem like a hard problem to solve if politicians were actually interested in holding CEOs and corporations accountable, the problem is the politicians themselves are bought and paid for.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

#159

Per HN policy, stop editorializing the headlines. Here's the actual headline: > Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story

> Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story

> Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

These carry the same meaning. No editorializing happened.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

#160
post #3

Man the moral degradation is off the charts. Prediction markets are easily the worst things to grace the internet by far and its not even close.

I ⤻ predict ⤺ that prediction markets will be more tightly regulated or entirely outlawed at some point. i.e. CFTC loses jurisdiction.

- More tightly regulated if governments and NGO's can use it to make money, control people and/or narratives, get taxes similar to how casino's are taxed by removing CFTC jurisdiction.

- Outlawed if they can not find a way to do any of that.

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