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Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by iso1631 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #58
Waterluvian wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea behind a prediction market is pretty interesting, especially from an economics dataset point-of-view. And there's probably a lot of fun, harmless things to bet on. eg. "Will Conan lead an extravagent musical number at the Oscars?" But we're in an era of less and less responsible government oversight, so the whole thing naturally gets ruined if there's no guardrails to prevent peoeple without souls or…

>And there's probably a lot of fun, harmless things to bet on. eg. "Will Conan lead an extravagent musical number at the Emmys?" I cannot fathom what could be fun about that.

I don't know why you'd ever put money into something like that. Anyone working on the show will know the answer

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by epolanski »

echoangle wrote: post #59
epolanski wrote: post #9

Prediction markets need to be banned globally ASAP, but it would've helped the article to bring proof of: - the emails - the whatsapp messages - the discord messages - the X messages Mind you, I'm not stating the journalist is lying or overblowing, in fact I suspect this is all more widespread than we think, but it's odd that the journalist puts emphasis on the sources of his information in the case of the missile, y…

Quoting vs providing screenshots makes exactly 0 difference regarding level of proof. Faking an email or WhatsApp message is about 2 minutes of work.

1. Fake emails or screenshots can still be analyzed and questioned and they are regularly debunked.

2. The author mentions X replies, those are public, where are they?

I'm gonna stand by my opinion: you deliver information, you provide all the evidence that is sensible to share. That's what journalism, especially investigative journalism does, and OSint can go a long way in helping.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by relaxing »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #58
Waterluvian wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea behind a prediction market is pretty interesting, especially from an economics dataset point-of-view. And there's probably a lot of fun, harmless things to bet on. eg. "Will Conan lead an extravagent musical number at the Oscars?" But we're in an era of less and less responsible government oversight, so the whole thing naturally gets ruined if there's no guardrails to prevent peoeple without souls or…

>And there's probably a lot of fun, harmless things to bet on. eg. "Will Conan lead an extravagent musical number at the Emmys?" I cannot fathom what could be fun about that.

Fun to lose to insiders on the production team?

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by victorbjorklund »

cannonpr wrote: post #66
fzil wrote: post #3

Man the moral degradation is off the charts. Prediction markets are easily the worst things to grace the internet by far and its not even close.

It can look bad, but this is just an aspect of human behavior en masse that we don’t normally get to see. A long time ago there was an incident on a military base. A man had gotten up on a building to commit suicide, and while the officers tried to convince him not to jump, the drafted soldiers gathered underneath and started chanting “jump, jump” because of a rule that said witnessing the suicide of a fellow soldier…

Sounds like a urban legend.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by lelanthran »

hollerith wrote: post #63
somelamer567 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cryptocurrency itself was designed to enable crime. Why else would one want an end-run around governments and law-enforcement, unless one were a criminal wanting to prey on others risk-free?

So, in your mind, making a payment, recieving a payment and holding money in savings are always bad when it goes against any government's law or order?

> So, in your mind, making a payment, recieving a payment and holding money in savings are always bad when it goes against any government's law or order?

That's not how I read GP; "Why would you want to do an end-run around the government when using currency?" is different to, well, whatever it is you are saying (I'm not sure I can decipher it well enough - seems to be "using currency is bad when it goes against laws", but I think that's fine too, so not really sure what your message is - maybe you can clarify?)

Using legal tender is not a problem. Using barter (which is what using crypocurrencies boils down to) is also not a problem. Lack of reporting your income to the tax authorities is a problem. Most bartering systems are too small to warrant the attention of tax authorities, but cryptocurrencies facilitate bartering at scale, which does warrant interest.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by nickspacek »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #65
xvector wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polymarket's founder is Shayne Coplan, 27-year old "youngest self-made billionaire" (why do all billionaires seem devoid of ethics?) A sane system would just throw him in jail until his illegal betting market implements KYC.

>A sane system would just throw him in jail. A capricious system that interprets based on whim, politics and influence is a large part of how we got here. People like this and their less than moral path in which they further their endeavors succeed specifically because of this environment. Polymarket is basically a platform to monetize petty stuff while also being able to monetize bad stuff. There is soooo much press…

There's probably a useful middle ground between tossing people in jail and rewarding with great wealth, power, and influence those people whose main drive appears to be accumulation of said things without regard for their fellow citizens.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by relaxing »

Waterluvian wrote: post #86
lotsofpulp wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And there's probably a lot of fun, harmless things to bet on. eg. "Will Conan lead an extravagent musical number at the Emmys?" I cannot fathom what could be fun about that.

I mean, what's fun about my specific example? Guaranteed money.

Conan hosted the Oscars.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by vintermann »

pjc50 wrote: post #13
epolanski wrote: post #9

Prediction markets need to be banned globally ASAP, but it would've helped the article to bring proof of: - the emails - the whatsapp messages - the discord messages - the X messages Mind you, I'm not stating the journalist is lying or overblowing, in fact I suspect this is all more widespread than we think, but it's odd that the journalist puts emphasis on the sources of his information in the case of the missile, y…

Journalists do not normally work like that. That might be how beefs are fought on social media, but of course screenshots are easy to fake anyway.

That is correct, but it's not to media's credit. Most journalists say basically, "Trust me, I'm the authority, I wouldn't be allowed to say this if it were simply lies. I could prove it to you but I won't, at worst I'll be forced to prove it to my peers. (And you aren't one, peasant)." They practically never link to the scientific paper they just reported on, certainly not to anything that could let us check politically controversial claims ourselves.

And how could it be otherwise? You aren't the customer. Ads, or worse, billionaire political patronage, is what pays the bills for media companies. Their authority - the blind trust people have in them - is what makes them valuable for their actual customers. They're not doing science, the last thing they want is to make it easy to check their work (although, maybe I'm too charitable to scientists too here, if they make it easier to check their work it's often the bare minimum, but I digress).

One of the original points of WikiLeaks was to make a kind of journalism where claims were easy to check from the sources. But you can see how controversial that was.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by xvector »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #65
xvector wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polymarket's founder is Shayne Coplan, 27-year old "youngest self-made billionaire" (why do all billionaires seem devoid of ethics?) A sane system would just throw him in jail until his illegal betting market implements KYC.

>A sane system would just throw him in jail. A capricious system that interprets based on whim, politics and influence is a large part of how we got here. People like this and their less than moral path in which they further their endeavors succeed specifically because of this environment. Polymarket is basically a platform to monetize petty stuff while also being able to monetize bad stuff. There is soooo much press…

It is not capricious to hold C-suite legally accountable for their choices. Lots of corporate scandals would simply not have happened if decisionmakers had skin in the game.

If CISOs can have personal liability for data breaches, CEOs can have personal liability for intentionally creating an illegal platform.

Instead we reward these people with billions for degrading the fabric of society.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by qsera »

mpalmer wrote: post #24
colesantiago wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does everything you don't like need to be banned? Downvoters: I really doubt that you actually successfully 100% banned anything in the history of technology.

Why do you apparently like a system that lets people bet on atrocities and then take steps to make said atrocities more likely?

So you are saying that if business entity starts a pharma company that creates a drug for some kind of novel disease, but the disease does not currently exist, they will take steps to make an epidemic of it more likely?
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