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Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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> The optimistic viewpoint is that maybe new AI production tools will trigger a re-democratization of creative movies I don't think so. Part of the downfall of movies -- blockbusters movies anyway, the kind where being a box office hit matters -- is that they have seemed produced like AI slop even before AI. Making it easier to produce more slop isn't going to fix this. Then there's one thing making noise in my brain…

In the end people have limited number of hours to watch content, and only a few things bubble up to the popular attention. What I meant is that I don't see truly indie-produced feature films reach the zeitgeist anymore. I don't mean AI slop, but the next gen of creative tools that will allow people to make cool and creative and compelling stuff without the backing of 100's of millions of dollars. It seems like movies…

They don’t have to reach the zeitgeist. Tyler Perry has made a good living producing crappy movies and plays that appeal to certain demographic. It’s a lot easier to get 5x ROI on a $5 million movie than a $200 million movie.

Before the pearl clutching starts - yes I’m Black.

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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The little dinosaurs are ignoring the great big elephants in the room: gaming. The article doesn't mention it. The market for video games in 2024 was around $225B, compared to movies at around $33B. Hollywood has worked very hard not to realize that their industry has become niche and have succeeded. My last week may be an indicator. I've watched zero TV or movies but have spent about 40 hours helping a small colony…

> The little dinosaurs are ignoring the great big elephants in the room: gaming

Partially, but a massive issue has been the offshoring of Hollywood [0].

UK, Canada, EU states like Ireland and Poland, and others match dollar-for-dollar in subsidizes to incentivize local production, and factoring in lower salaries are able to outcompete even Georgia.

After COVID and the WGA/SAG-AFTRA strike, production completely left Hollywood.

Film production is high risk and expensive, so margins really matter, so the double whammy of the COVID shutdowns and then fhe WGA/SAG-AFTRA strike became existential.

California has been trying to reincentivize onshoring [1], but it's too little too late. Hollywood even lobbied the Trump admin [2] for a 100% tariff on foreign produced films [3] which more diversified media companies pushed back.

[0] - https://milkeninstitute.org/content-hub/research-and-reports...

[1] - https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/06/gavin-newsom-hollyw...

[2] - https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/15/hollywood-lobbying-...

[3] - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g78e809zqo

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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Just checked AMC - $18.50 in the app for a normal adult ticket. ($16 + $2.50 fee for using the app). An icee and popcorn would be ballpark $18 as well.

About the same where I am. A matinee used to be cheap, now it’s the price you said, and more like 20 for the full price show. You don’t have to pay the app “convenience fee” but they added assigned seats to pressure you to do so. If you wait till the day of and buy on the big kiosk in the lobby, what if all the good seats are gone? (Hint: they won’t be, the theaters are always mostly empty)

Not even good seats, but if you're in a group you may not be all able to sit together. Or if you get your tickets and someone wants to join you later, there could be nothing left near you. I'm not a fan of assigned seating for those reasons.

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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Can't it be both? In Marvel movies the plot, story, and characters are irrelevant and it's still the current greatest American cultural export.

You may want to watch again the movies that created the franchise. All the successful Marvel movies are completely based on the characters.

A lot of the best Marvel movies are really other genres wearing a marvel skin

Look at Captain America: The First Avenger. It's a pulpy world war 2 film, really. If you took Captain America out it would still be a fun film. Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a spy thriller

Ant Man is a heist movie, like Oceans 11. Guardians is a sci fi comedy.

After a while they started to all just become "Marvel Movies" and that's the point they stopped being nearly as fun imo

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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$100 to go to the movies for a family of four. No thanks. There’s no mystery why the movies are dying. They’ve priced themselves out and then they give away the product on streaming several months later anyways. If they want theaters to come back then they’ll have to put movies behind a paywall again.

thats so much cheaper for a family of 4 for 3 hrs compared to other options. what are the other cheaper options? going to free parks and museums? i am sure going to free museum will be a big hit with the kids :]

Even not free parks. Our Zoo and Cal Academy memberships amortize down to $50/trip for 4.

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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The cultural relevance of movies, and American made movies isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but I think the economics of streaming is finally playing out in the loss of the geographical concentration of power in Hollywood and California. This is the endgame of the feedback loop of streamers causing industry consolidation... the direct connection of dollars people spend to sit in a theatre seat was slowly declining,…

I think the issue is that content creation and distribution has already been fully democratized. How many hours do people spend watching videos shot by individuals on their phones in their apartments?

Combined with streaming, there's just an overabundance of "good enough" content at everyone's fingertips. The moat that protected big-budget feature films is gone. You don't see a trailer for a movie and salivate and wait for it to come out, it just blends in to the stream of 5000 other things you can watch right now.

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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The little dinosaurs are ignoring the great big elephants in the room: gaming. The article doesn't mention it. The market for video games in 2024 was around $225B, compared to movies at around $33B. Hollywood has worked very hard not to realize that their industry has become niche and have succeeded. My last week may be an indicator. I've watched zero TV or movies but have spent about 40 hours helping a small colony…

Didn't The Game Awards receive more viewers than the Super Bowl? It used to be referred to as, like, "the Oscars for video games", but now it's immensely more popular than the Oscars.

> Didn't The Game Awards receive more viewers than the Super Bowl?

To be fair, barely anyone (in global terms) watches the Super Bowl.

You are correct though - [0] claims 171M for TGA with [1] claiming 125M for the Superb Owl 2026.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_Awards_2025

[1] https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/20...

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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The little dinosaurs are ignoring the great big elephants in the room: gaming. The article doesn't mention it. The market for video games in 2024 was around $225B, compared to movies at around $33B. Hollywood has worked very hard not to realize that their industry has become niche and have succeeded. My last week may be an indicator. I've watched zero TV or movies but have spent about 40 hours helping a small colony…

Didn't The Game Awards receive more viewers than the Super Bowl? It used to be referred to as, like, "the Oscars for video games", but now it's immensely more popular than the Oscars.

There is absolutely no way The Game Awards got more viewers than the Super Bowl. I’d love to see a source because I have serious doubts.
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